Hoozier tyres.

oval smash 09 · Subject: Hoozier tyres. Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:54 pm

Hoozier tyres,

Why did Hoozier tyre get the boot?????????

And who's back pocket has the goodyear deal topped up,

Because all the drivers ive spoke to are pi%%ed off about this,

But this could be a knife in the heart of the lower grade's.

chris 20 · Subject: Re: Hoozier tyres. Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:45 pm

nobody like change huh?

yes i do feel sorry for the hoosier brisca tyre crew, but roll on goodyear, higher profile marketing and image for the sport, and ultimatly costs should come down, and racing be just as good.

That's what they tell us anyway!

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Stu Baxel · Subject: Re: hoozier tyres Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:44 pm

I have noticed there are a few drivers missing from the Skeggy meet that usually attend, not mentioning names, but I know at least 2 that are seriously pi**ed off re tyre issue.and one thay may be leaving the sport completely,It has been mentioned that a back hander may have taken place, I sincerely hope this is not so, but I have to admit, the same thoughts have crossed my mind, might be interesting to see who`s sponsoring who next season !!

craigsmith · Subject: Re: Hoozier tyres. Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:35 am

BLA BLA BLA........ Hoosier this.... Goodyear that..... Whats done is done! DEAL WITH IT!!!!!!!

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beaks · Subject: Re: Hoozier tyres. Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:13 am

Stu Baxel wrote:

I have noticed there are a few drivers missing from the Skeggy meet that usually attend, not mentioning names, but I know at least 2 that are seriously pi**ed off re tyre issue.and one thay may be leaving the sport completely,It has been mentioned that a back hander may have taken place, I sincerely hope this is not so, but I have to admit, the same thoughts have crossed my mind, might be interesting to see who`s sponsoring who next season !!

yup, that makes perfect sense. you can't (at the moment) use hoosiers next year, so you don't turn up to meetings this year to use up your old stock, sensible...

also, all of the i heard this, someone told me that is a load of old pony... unless you hear something direct or as a press release take everything you hear with a pinch of salt... do you believe everything you read in the papers (for example) ??

trust me brother, i know a good few drivers who are fed up with the whole situation... i'm not saying that the rules for next year don't suck... they do... i personally think that drivers should be able to use up all of their old stock... but one would imagine that the deal done with goodyear will mean that they want total coverage of their tyre... that kind of thing happens all over the place in the big bad world of motorsport... hell in my f1 days you could only wear one type of sunglasses and watch... it's just the way things are brother...

the old days of a wad of cash sealing the deal are gone my friend... it's not the wild west anymore...

this goodyear thing has been rolling for more than just the month or so since the news broke... the chaps in charge aren't daft... remember we're in the worst economical times seen for years... but stock cars are forging ahead with new stadiums, better organisation and hell the good old BBC are getting involved, which is (more than likely) the best thing to happen in stock cars since 1954...

i'm sure it'll all be cool next year... at the end of the day, you've either got to roll with it or get rolled straight over...

just my opinion(s) of course... etc etc etc

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big mac · Number of posts: 58 Registration date: 2009-07-21

The tyre deal is just madness , teams have got find at least £1500 - £2000 for tyres at the start of the season if there running both surfaces ,and some will have to find money for different rims as well.

There are a lot of p.......ed off drivers about this but because they race an F1 people think they have alot of money, this is not always the case.

steven · Number of posts: 558 Registration date: 2007-07-06

Sorry to dissapoin the conspiracy theorists but I think rumours about backhanders etc are disingenuous to those who have worked hard on the project, please dismiss that from your mind - there are some ethics in our sport I believe.

It is a done deal, personally I thought 42 cars this evening after a 3 meeting WF weekend an amazing turnout in the current climate.

The tyre deal is done and drivers should speak with their own committee about any concerns - speculation of the figures suggested for investment are I believe wide of the mark.

2010 planning is underway, 2009, which has by enlarge been a great year has not yet completed - with some great meetings to come, lets not dumb it all down!

kev23 · Subject: Re: Hoozier tyres. Sat Sep 26, 2009 11:43 am

oval smash 09 wrote:

Hoozier tyres,

Why did hoozier tyre get the boot????????

But this could be a knife in the heart of the lower grade's.

The only reason that a new tyre was looked for in the first place was due to Hoosier UK insisting on an increase in price (contractually agreed so well within their rights) of around £2 per tyre when the pound against the dollar was around $2 to £1 as opposed to a much lower rate when the contract was signed.

During the AGM there is certain info read out pertaining to the next season ahead and some drivers asked about the high $ to which the reply was that Hoosier UK were asked to hold the price but insisted on the increase!

The general response from the floor was that we should have a look around and see what else was available and so started the process of tyre evaluation etc!

As for a knife in the heart of lower graders,

I think what will happen is it may effect the top boys more in the pocket, New rubber (even two new tyres if one's a fresher batch out of the mould) will all things being equal be better, so the top lads will need to replace theirs and sell on the older (but still very good) ones, they supposedly have the budget to do it?? but some obviously won't want to, it's money they can't spend elsewhere. In a perfect situation that's half price tyres for all Wink

I remember when cutting extra treads in the Hoosier tire was banned Frankie Jnr and Andy Smith among others were doing it and it was explained that to compete you needed to do the same but it made the tyres wear out quicker, so the next season they still won a similar amount of races it just cost them less on tyres!! So more money to spend elsewhere, you don't save money just redirect it. They win because they're good and will no matter what the rules.

Slightly off topic but in a similar vein, in F2's whilst tyre softener was an almost secret and a big advantage it was worth all the time and effort but as soon as it got more widely used it was the top lads going around with the petition to get it banned because they needed to do it to stay still with no advantage!

I must admit if the tyres are relatively equal in performance a longer run off period ( the so called non meetings maybe) with the expected sell on of the (OH NO I'm down a tenth of a second affraid

) tyres would have IMO have laid this issue to rest.

Just wait until someone comes up with a tyre for the outside rear that's within spec and blows them all out of the water, it must exist somewhere Wink

chris 20 · Subject: Re: Hoozier tyres. Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:11 pm

big mac wrote:

The tyre deal is just madness , teams have got find at least £1500 - £2000 for tyres at the start of the season if there running both surfaces ,and some will have to find money for different rims as well.

There are a lot of p.......ed off drivers about this but because they race an F1 people think they have alot of money, this is not always the case.

People saying thats its about backhanders..where is your facts to proove this. Yes it may go on a little in real life business but there's NOTHING to suggest this is the case. Not saying it is or isnt but think before you post such outrageous acusations on a forum. Good job people take things written online as a pinch of salt these days.

Saying that teams are going to HAVE to spend £2000 + new rims is surely and exageration. Thye would have to buy new Hoosiers in just the same way at the start of the season or when tyres are due. and overally tyre replacement should be less over the season.

Teams were told many months in advance that they're would be an august decision made to which tyre was going to be use and for once this happened. Get over it..and criticise the new tyres if they dont perform as promised. The only people that should be moaing is the Hoosier team, but I'm sure they wont want to be saying anything publically.

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Grafter · Number of posts: 212 Registration date: 2007-12-07

The only facts that are clear up to now are:
1: the communication has been dire (due to the number of upset drivers)
2: the run off period for Hoosiers is very controversial
3: the Goodyear contract is too short for a tested and race proven tyre
4: The Goodyear tyre is not a dual surface tyre (meaning more rims/tyre changing required)
Then we have conspiracy questions:
1: Who (if any one) stands to gain from this deal?
2: Why the short run off of Hoosier tyres?
3: Why are the Bscda seemingly stalling on a Egm?

And why was the tyre testing remit not worded "Control tyre needs to be cost effective/requires to be capable of being raced on both surfaces (wet or dry)/can deliver grip up to 550bhp/must handle consistantly/be readily available/prefferably of a cicumferance which will be competative with a 5.7 diff (to save increased costs for those who can't afford a ratio change gearbox/axle).
Ps. The stable door is now closed.....could someone please catch the horse

RMurphy · Subject: Re: Hoozier tyres. Sun Sep 27, 2009 7:01 am

hooziers?

thought they were some kind of pop group scratch