Saloon stock car confirmed rule changes 2010

kevsc64 · Number of posts: 171 Localisation: beccles suffolk Registration date: 2007-06-22

phil 199 wrote:

As a current driver with a Tarmac car couple of points i would like to make.
1 Kev which partitcular rule is causing the most trouble. If they need to be scrapped or not economic to modify whos going to buy them?
2 As i understand it are cars will always be a body shell over a spaceframe(similar to a national hot rods but with bumpers).So unless spedeworth cars become space frame the two will never meet in specification.

I am trying to clarify some of the changes to know how much i have to change as i dont want to do it twice but i dont think i will have to scrap my car to meet the new regs.

to be honest phil the main point is the cost of either building or modifying the car as the tarmac cars need major surgery and in time of a recession a lot of drivers dont have the money. i know you said you only have a limited budget for each month to go racing aswell

big mac · Number of posts: 58 Registration date: 2009-07-21

Can someone help me out here?.... Are these rules to inject new drivers into the saloons.....Or just to make 80% or more of the cars already racing need major modification to meet the the new rules???

What about the drivers who have spent lots money over the last two or three years building these cars, that are from what I can make out are now in need major work to meet the new rules....And this must efect shale cars aswell as tarmac cars because these rules are a masive change in the way 'any' car will be built..

Do the rule makers realy think this will make a differance to car numbers on tarmac, when so many cars will need altering !!... and you,ve pi...ed off most of the drivers you already had!!

Spannerman

Do the drivers not have a committee and therefore a say ?

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nastyplumber328 · Number of posts: 69 Age: 38 Localisation: taunton Registration date: 2008-07-24

spannerman there is no drivers commitee.however i beleive that one should be formed to allow the drivers to have a voice that can be heard whether the ssca listen is a different matter.i agree with 70% of rule changes but bottom arm postion may not be possible to change on my car which would mean cutting car apart.also with some much uncertainty about new rules if enough complain and rules are changed again then those who have started to change their cars will have to change back.

pedro · Number of posts: 1905 Registration date: 2007-06-18

Where the drivers consulted about rule changes ?

Do the majority of the drivers want a drivers commitee ?

Who would not recognise a drivers commitee ?

As the numbers on shale are good due to the relative cheapness of racing competitively, will the expense of alterations seriously affect the shale scene ?

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nastyplumber328 · Number of posts: 69 Age: 38 Localisation: taunton Registration date: 2008-07-24

pedro wrote:

Where the drivers consulted about rule changes ?

Do the majority of the drivers want a drivers commitee ?

Who would not recognise a drivers commitee ?

As the numbers on shale are good due to the relative cheapness of racing competitively, will the expense of alterations seriously affect the shale scene ?

drivers werent consulted about rule changes it was mentioned i think 2 years ago that there would be changes in 2010 but not much detail(at the time a control cam was being mentioned to try and even things up a bit but was dropped as the extra expense would possibly put off new drivers ironic that a cam that would have cost £200 was not introduced yet changes now in a recession that may cost 4 figure sums are going to be introduced)

I believe that the majority of active drivers would like a commitee so that they would know for definate that their opinions were being heard.

changes will have to be made to shale cars as well as tarmac cars ride height would not be a problem as expect most shale cars already meet the 3 inch clearance rule but other changes would have to be made does anyone know of 100 sierras going cheap as majority of people have to repanel.all this in only 12 weeks think its going to be a quiet start to next season

Two Putt Shakur

Simple question here. Don't want to here a polititians answer.

WHO has put forward these rule changes for National Saloon Stock Cars, and I don't want to hear the answer being the Saloon committee.

Which person/s? and WHY?

ssc167 · Number of posts: 12 Registration date: 2008-12-19

kevsc64 wrote:

crashattack wrote:

already had a person txt me with both there saloons up for sale kev

think you might have a site full of cars for sale from what i have heard

the thing is tho kev who is going to buy these car's no one in there right mind !!!!!!!!!1

ssc167 · Number of posts: 12 Registration date: 2008-12-19

kevsc64 wrote:

yes the new rules are primarily aimed at one car for both surfaces, the cars of today are not much different to a f2 but as already stated when eddy darby built his car it should have been banned. i have said this to Hazel at Skegness as long as there is a shale track you wont get as many cars on tarmac whatever you do to the rules as the same people will still win because they put time into preparation, just look at f2 gordon moodie still wins after the rules were changed. the shale scene is stronger than ever as there are 40 cars tomorrow night at lynn
second hand cars are not cheap but for example it is not the only stock car formula where you spend a lot of money, just look at the price of the ex 1300 world champions car for sale, dont know exactly how much, but it is not cheap and that is from the spedeworth field ie cheap stock car formula.
the formula does need to look at change but this will not only affect tarmac it will also affect shale as these cars need altering aswell to be within the new rules.
space frame hybrids do last there are cars out there which are 10 years old will you see this in a spedeworth car lasting ten years, there will be plenty of action in these but no cars as drivers will always be repairing. once you have the car it will last and will be value for money.
i am a avid fan of national saloons and have spent a great deal of time and money following this sport all over the UK for 30 years.
these are only my opinions as a fan of contact racing

ex world 1300 is £5000

phil 199

Kev the people who make up the committee are the promoters .So the people who have decided these rules are them.As they say on x factor in no particular order.
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No we dont have a drivers commitee and think we should but the drivers have had some if not a satisfactory say as in orginal draft the AVO shock was banned and now allowed due to driver pressure.Also the slicks wernt banned in original draft but are now again based on driver input.

Ian the bodyshell rule was in the rules this year saying it was coming in 2010 so that is really no surprise.Plenty of mondeos and vectras available from scrapyards due to the scrappage scheme.

kevsc64 · Number of posts: 171 Localisation: beccles suffolk Registration date: 2007-06-22

ssc167 wrote:

kevsc64 wrote:

crashattack wrote:

already had a person txt me with both there saloons up for sale kev

think you might have a site full of cars for sale from what i have heard

the thing is tho kev who is going to buy these car's no one in there right mind !!!!!!!!!1

no one, i know where you are coming from dont think there will be many takers for them

pedro · Number of posts: 1905 Registration date: 2007-06-18

phil 199 wrote:

Kev the people who make up the committee are the promoters .So the people who have decided these rules are them.As they say on x factor in no particular order.
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Cheers for the input Phil, and if that answers Kev's question then I am sure there would have been a load of drivers dying to be in the room where Crispin, Paul etc discussed the finer points of Saloon construction. Surely noboby is buying that ! Must have been a technical person, Anyone know who ?

Another question out of interest, who will be providing the corner scales at every saloon meeting to inforce these % rule.

Sorry if I am coming over like a dog with a bone on this, but Loons are the formula that I loved most as a kid and have always enjoyed to watch so much. When I asked the initial question here http://allstoxforum.niceboard.com/strictly-stox-f1/what-can-be-done-to-ressurect-tarmac-saloon-racing-t4082.htm it was out of concern...and it appears I am not alone !

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