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bertybigbulge

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PostSubject: Re: Shock-horror.....   Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:29 pm

He.s ruffled a few feathers as well
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PostSubject: Re: Shock-horror.....   Sun Jan 05, 2014 2:32 pm

Well-Well, have Forum users finaly grown a pair †Suspect†.
I did notice one of the first replys got edited to just a full stop lol. †And the guy was from New Zealand! †you'd like to think you're a safe enough distance surely †lol!†..


Will be intresting to see if Mr Cowley gets pulled up/banned now by the admin for that outburst?? ††Wink†.. † or is it one set of forum rules for drivers, and one set for mere forum users..?.. ††silent† †

http://forum.stoxnet.com/topic/13603-content-rules/


I got banned (twice) †for much less!.. † †cheers


By the way. Far from being dull, 2014 is now going to be one of the more anticipated seasons.. Every cloud has a Silver lining..
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PostSubject: Re: Shock-horror.....   Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:17 am

As I have said previously this could all have been sorted with a simple update of the rule book. Why punish budget racers in the pocket by doing this? Its a minority of the drivers who have taken their interpretation of the rule and stretched it. This is usually covered under the rule of compliance with car specification (the one that covers anything that makes the committee look silly or they hadn't thought/used it first - a bit like STEPGATE †affraid† ) which used to read "the scrutineer is empowered to prevent any car from racing which does not appear to comply fully with, or is not built within the spirit of, the specifications pending later adjudication from the BSCDA and BriSCA"
I also feel for the likes of Mr Tunnah †(who has a few quid) as his torsion bar car is going to be a bit odd if he has to change this set up http://photos.stoxnet.com/displayimage.php?album=search&cat=0&pid=45222#top_display_media
Mr Hines also spoke of having to act if there is not an increase in car numbers after the new ruling. Well I would like to hear what plan "B" is if this does turn out to be the case (there is a plan "B" already in place isn't there †scratch† ). As some drivers could already have packed up and others may be disillusioned at the prospect of another change.

A close up of Mr Tunnahs rear set-up http://photos.stoxnet.com/displayimage.php?album=search&cat=0&pid=45222#top_display_media
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PostSubject: Re: Shock-horror.....   Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:05 am

grafter those pics are not available now
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PostSubject: Re: Shock-horror.....   Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:01 pm

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As I have said previously this could all have been sorted with a simple update of the rule book. Why punish budget racers in the pocket by doing this? Its a minority of the drivers who have taken their interpretation of the rule and stretched it. This is usually covered under the rule of compliance with car specification (the one that covers anything that makes the committee look silly or they hadn't thought/used it first - a bit like STEPGATE †affraid† ) which used to read "the scrutineer is empowered to prevent any car from racing which does not appear to comply fully with, or is not built within the spirit of, the specifications pending later adjudication from the BSCDA and BriSCA"
I also feel for the likes of Mr Tunnah †(who has a few quid) as his torsion bar car is going to be a bit odd if he has to change this set up http://photos.stoxnet.com/displayimage.php?album=search&cat=0&pid=45222#top_display_media
Mr Hines also spoke of having to act if there is not an increase in car numbers after the new ruling. Well I would like to hear what plan "B" is if this does turn out to be the case (there is a plan "B" already in place isn't there †scratch† ). As some drivers could already have packed up and others may be disillusioned at the prospect of another change.

A close up of Mr Tunnahs rear set-up http://photos.stoxnet.com/displayimage.php?album=search&cat=0&pid=45222#top_display_media

This change in the rules will effect leaf sprung and torsion bar cars the same as coil sprung. Both of these types of suspension still need a damper and it is the damper rule that are being changed not the spring method. Should be a fairly straight forward change for everyone.
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PostSubject: Re: Shock-horror.....   Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:39 pm

sausage wrote:
Monumental post just been added by #37 Chris cowley over on stoxnet.
Over the next day or two we will see exactly what forum posters are exactly all about †cheers†.
I predict a page or two of posters getting down on there knees and as a collective completely †change there strong opinions on the shockers subject. †Embarassed


Ps, told you Marvin that this one was gonna go ballistic †lol!†.

I see Chris Cowley was sticking by his comments that it should be left to the drivers and the rest can **** off. Sounds like a Ratner moment The rest would be the mugs who stand on the terraces in all weathers to watch people like him. He says he'll be at the NEC to promote the sport. Should make interesting†listening
I seem to remember a large promoter reducing the number of free passes for drivers' family and friends because the great majority on the terraces were found to be family and friends anyway. Sounds like a move towards a members only travelling circus.†Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Shock-horror.....   Tue Jan 07, 2014 7:46 am

This change in the rules will effect leaf sprung and torsion bar cars the same as coil sprung. Both of these types of suspension still need a damper and it is the damper rule that are being changed not the spring method. Should be a fairly straight forward change for everyone.
Thanks AlistairN. I know what you are saying regards it not affecting the method of springing the car but it will appear odd having shocks with thread on and no springs. I think this can only lead to less innovation (possibly because folk don't understand the way to set up torsion bars and leaf springs correctly and this will consolidate that position as it would seem a waste to not use the coil over facility on the shock).
Btw I see your post over on Stoxnet re Shock set ups........I think £40 a shock is a little pricey myself see here for an alternative http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1x-Ford-Transit-Monroe-Van-Magnum-Rear-Shock-Absorber-Suspension-Damper-New-/390539193292?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3ATransit&hash=item5aedf32bcc . So with a leaf/torsion bar set up you can alter the damping effect using a basic shock by simply altering the mounting angle (no need for those variable clicky knobs folk like playing with).
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PostSubject: Re: Shock-horror.....   Tue Jan 07, 2014 2:19 pm

Grafter wrote:
This change in the rules will effect leaf sprung and torsion bar cars the same as coil sprung. Both of these types of suspension still need a damper and it is the damper rule that are being changed not the spring method. Should be a fairly straight forward change for everyone.
Thanks AlistairN. I know what you are saying regards it not affecting the method of springing the car but it will appear odd having shocks with thread on and no springs. I think this can only lead to less innovation (possibly because folk don't understand the way to set up torsion bars and leaf springs correctly and this will consolidate that position as it would seem a waste to not use the coil over facility on the shock).
Btw I see your post over on Stoxnet re Shock set ups........I think £40 a shock is a little pricey myself see here for an alternative http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1x-Ford-Transit-Monroe-Van-Magnum-Rear-Shock-Absorber-Suspension-Damper-New-/390539193292?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3ATransit&hash=item5aedf32bcc . So with a leaf/torsion bar set up you can alter the damping effect using a basic shock by simply altering the mounting angle (no need for those variable clicky knobs folk like playing with).
The £40 was just a figure i picked out of thin air. We have not brought a "soft" shocker for a couple of years thanks to the warranty returns dept of a car dealership. The last time we brought some "stiff" shocks similar to the ones on your ebay link they were brought in bulk and were about £20 each.
I do think that the wording of the rule could be changed a little so that people running leafs or torsion bars are exempt from this shocker but have to use another "control" damper.
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PostSubject: Re: Shock-horror.....   Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:51 pm

I just paid £95 for a new spring to pass my scrutineering (MOT), thanks to Sheffield $hitty council's policy of using potholes as speed retarders.
So for the whole car, that's about 180 + 95 + 95 well, its ....A LOT anyway. And that's for my Mazda3.
Just sayin'.

Would I be right in saying it's all cut and dried, decided and done and dusted and that arguing about it, is as futile as discussing what life might have been like if Joseph & Mary's child had been a girl??


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PostSubject: Re: Shock-horror.....   Wed Jan 08, 2014 11:21 pm

LOL, ZEP

Keep on stockin '
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PostSubject: Re: Shock-horror.....   Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:49 am

Can this be right? The new UK spec' shocks are cheaper in Holand http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=nl&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cpcompetition.com%2Fshocktec-shocks-brisca-f1-schokdemper.html †scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Shock-horror.....   Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:51 pm

Grafter wrote:
Can this be right? The new UK spec' shocks are cheaper in Holand http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=nl&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cpcompetition.com%2Fshocktec-shocks-brisca-f1-schokdemper.html †scratch

Your link is for a Shocktech product, I think Bscda are working with Dampertech not Shocktech.
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PostSubject: Re: Shock-horror.....   Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:59 pm

Premier wrote:
Grafter wrote:
Can this be right? The new UK spec' shocks are cheaper in Holand http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=nl&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cpcompetition.com%2Fshocktec-shocks-brisca-f1-schokdemper.html †scratch

Your link is for a Shocktech product, I think Bscda are working with Dampertech not Shocktech.

Don't let facts get in the way of a conspiracy theory. †Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Shock-horror.....   Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:03 pm

Premier wrote:
Grafter wrote:
Can this be right? The new UK spec' shocks are cheaper in Holand http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=nl&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cpcompetition.com%2Fshocktec-shocks-brisca-f1-schokdemper.html †scratch

Your link is for a Shocktech product, I think Bscda are working with Dampertech not Shocktech.

Sorry, you're right †Embarassed†Maybe someone could clarify this for the Dutch guys as well. Are other brands of F1 shock absorber going to be still allowed at Emmen raceway? Just wondered as they still run to BriSCA rules there don't they?
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PostSubject: Re: Shock-horror.....   Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:53 pm

Grafter wrote:
Premier wrote:
Grafter wrote:
Can this be right? The new UK spec' shocks are cheaper in Holand http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=nl&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cpcompetition.com%2Fshocktec-shocks-brisca-f1-schokdemper.html †scratch

Your link is for a Shocktech product, I think Bscda are working with Dampertech not Shocktech.

Sorry, you're right †Embarassed†Maybe someone could clarify this for the Dutch guys as well. Are other brands of F1 shock absorber going to be still allowed at Emmen raceway? Just wondered as they still run to BriSCA rules there don't they?
all shockers are allowed in holland,most used are de double adjusments shockers from proflex,most cars are around shockers for the price of 2000 euro,some even more
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PostSubject: Re: Shock-horror.....   Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:17 am

all shockers are allowed in holland,most used are de double adjusments shockers from proflex,most cars are around shockers for the price of 2000 euro,some even more

Thanks Piet 98. Is it the same rules over in Holland for all organisations? Eg. ACON, NAC, BriSCA, FAC and the rest. If there are some differences betweem organisations I would be interested to know what the main ones are.
I can see some logic in having an open rules policy on performance parts as you then don't have to police them. Just have tyre and safety rules and that way you don't exclude people who just want to go out and race for fun on a bit of a budget. After all its not often that the drivers with the money also have the talent/time to go with it.
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PostSubject: Re: Shock-horror.....   Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:41 pm

in holland are in field racing the shockers free(don,t know about tarmac,the fields and tarmac in holland is seperate)it,s got more to do with the bumpey tracks and the clay,when the summers are wet there are more putholes then when the summers are dry,you need expensive shockers to get the feets down,lol,all the organasations(fac ase acon nac ezhaco )most of them have there own tracks,like blauwhuis st maarten and emmen,but some organasations like ezhaco in the south and the nac in the north,have some tracks they hire from farmers for one day,and most of the time they are get very bumpy†lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Shock-horror.....   Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:46 pm

Thanks Piet 98. So does this mean that you can use any type of shocks when racing at Emmen (BriSCA)?
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PostSubject: Re: Shock-horror.....   Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:22 pm

correct,no problem if you use the expensive ones ,like proflex,you may also still racing with good year tyres,the brisca rules are not so ,like you have in brittan
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PostSubject: Re: Shock-horror.....   Tue Jan 28, 2014 8:01 am

Thanks Piet 98. That would explain why the shocks I saw advertised for BriSCA F1 still apply (just for the Dutch BriSCA though). If I could read Dutch then I could have found this out myself from the Emmen rule book http://www.speedwayemmen.nl/reglementen/BVSRF1_Reglement_2013.pdf †Embarassed
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PostSubject: Re: Shock-horror.....   Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:46 pm

yep dutch isn,t the easyest language,but the rules in holland are a little bit lose,depends what kind of promoter and how many cars are coming,and there are still a lott of cars in holland who not became through the brisca scrutineering
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PostSubject: Re: Shock-horror.....   Sat Mar 01, 2014 12:48 am

Just thinking out loud. With young Tom Harris saying in his interview he would like bigger sticky tyres ect. What would Mick Harris have thought when he entered the sport back in 1996..........would he have still given it a go if back then he had to find the money for 4 racing shocks/transponder/HANS device ect ect? As some will no doubt remember Mick was not known for having the best kit back then (parked next to Bill Morris with a bit of a smokey big block I recall) http://www.briscaf1stox.co.uk/website/drivers.php?d=71&menu=g# take a look at the white top here if you need a reminder †Shocked† How times have changed †pale
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PostSubject: Re: Shock-horror.....   Mon Feb 15, 2016 8:53 pm

DAMPERTECH..........WHY WHY WHY?
Overpriced
Overrated
Even the bscda has put on their website "For clarity drivers should be aware that the use of dynos and tampering with the shocker is not permitted under any circumstances, the shocker must be as it comes out of the box from Dampertech"
So does this mean there are differences between the performance levels of each shock and drivers with access to a dyno can pick the best ones for the job (if so how can this be proved as they are sealed.....oh yes that very expensive/technical and totally tamperproof system lol! ).
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