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Grafter



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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:47 am

Yes, spannerman......not cheap but the picture shows it as 2 sites being sold as a whole lot. Site one is the prime site for a service area ect. Site 2 is much larger and undefined (even too big), so if a deal could be done to purchase the land as a joint venture (with Moto services/McDonalds ect) the price would be considerably cheaper. The site is an ideal, central, location to fill the void left with the loss off Leicester/the demise of Coventry and the possible loss of your very own, local, snapping territory Northampton.If all the drivers who race at both Coventry and Northampton (F1/F2/Banger/Saloon ect) invested £2500 you would have 1 million pounds. If a new stadia is to be built then it must be owned and not rented for the future stability of oval racing to thrive.
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:09 pm

Or what are the chances of setting up within an existing quarry (parts of the site are closed prior to the whole site) eg. https://binged.it/1nZjx2h (and not too far from Coventry).
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:06 pm

Well it looks like Stoxnet are finally cathing up on this old chesnut. What has become of this guy http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-20308824 and his court case? I see he is still a 9.35% shareholder at Coventry. I also see Sandhu is no longer a director (along side Mr Reese) @ https://www.duedil.com/company/07607924/midland-sports-agency-limited/people#widget_associateddirectorsdocwidget. Would this have anything to do with Sandhu possibly not keeping his word regarding this statment "As for the future at Coventry Stadium beyond 2010 that would be speculating however I think it is as safe as houses for at least the next five years and would be replaced at a new site if we were to develop the current site for houses".
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:48 am

There is always Rockingham of course..... not too far from Coventry and you could possibly buy it for a £1 judging by the rising debts https://www.duedil.com/company/02577816/rockingham-motor-speedway-limited.
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:10 am

Let me tell you a story......I spoke to a chap in the planning dept' of Leicester county council today and he told me an interesting (to me anyway) snippet. About 4 years ago a large park and ride facility was opened on the outskirts of the city on a green field site. Previously planning for houses was turned down but the planning for the 1000 space park and ride was granted due to its "green " credentials. Thus far less than 200 hundred cars have used the site daily. Did someone get the figures wrong?....maybe. But what has since happened is that another planning application is now set to go in for housing on the unused part of the "brown " field site. I wonder what the outcome will be?
Enough of that though. What he also said was that to get things done via an alternative route is to submit plans incorporating education/green technology/rehab' training ect. So when putting forward plans to put in place a new stadia for instance.....make sure that space under any grandstands ect. can be used Mon to Fri for modern engineering/welding classes/vehicle mechanics/speed awareness training ect. This would be a win/win with a revenue stream coming in during the week and also raising the profile of the venue with the people more likely to attend meetings also.
Well it made sense to me.
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:29 pm

Sorry Grafter, sounds like a non starter to me !
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:52 am

Has a precedent been set and would anyone want to hire their lawyer? ........MONUMENTAL DECISION FOR CHEETAHS

SPEEDWAY BIKES have not roared around Oxford Stadium in Cowley since October 2007.

But a High Court ruling, which seems to have scuppered any chance of housing on the site for a generation at least, has left supporters hoping that the return of the Cheetahs is not too far away, maybe as soon as 2016.

The High Court has dismissed an application by GRA Acquisition Limited challenging Oxford City Council’s decision to designate Oxford Stadium as a conservation area in line with planning laws.

The case was heard before Mr Justice Duncan Ouseley on Monday, December 8, 2014, and judgment was handed down on Thursday, January 22, 2015.

The court battle came after the city council refused developer Galliard Homes permission to build 220 homes on the site in January 2014.

GRA Acquisition Limited challenged Oxford City Executive Board’s April 2014 decision to grant conversation area status on four grounds, all of which were rejected by the Judge.

The first was that the land designated was not “an area”. The Judge has decided that there is no prohibition on single buildings and curtilages, whatever their nature scale or relationship with each other, being designated as a conservation area.

It was also decided on the facts that the tracks and open space are not really the curtilage of the grandstand or other buildings but that the race tracks are the central feature which necessitate the large open central area with the various buildings being “but an important part of the whole”.

The second ground was the allegation that no rational local planning authority could have regarded the area as having a special architectural or historic interest with a character and appearance that it was desirable to preserve or enhance. The Judge rejected that claim.

The third ground was a series of criticisms of the officer’s report, the core allegations being that it was significantly misleading and one sided. The Judge regarded it as “… a thorough report, taken with the CAA (conservation area appraisal) which was appended to it, which laid out the case for designation clearly.”

The final ground was designation for an improper purpose. This centred on the allegation that the decision to designate was for the purpose of frustrating the development proposals. The Judge rejected this argument on the facts, given the actual documents.

Save Oxford Stadium chairman Ian Sawyer said: “This is monumental for us. The judge’s decision was quite empathic. It’s basically the best possible result we could have got out of the court case.

“Not only did the ruling go our way, but also the stadium owners have to pay the costs, and the judge has recommended that they have no right to appeal.

“The owners have just two options left, to sit on it and do nothing with it, or to sell it to someone who wants to run it as a stadium.

“All options are now being looked into, including the possibility of a compulsory purchase order.

“Two fresh bids on the stadium have already gone in.

“We haven’t won, but it really feels we’re closing in, and hopefully we’ll soon see the return of both speedway and greyhounds to Oxford. It would be fantastic if the Cheetahs could return next year”, Sawyer concluded.
scratch ......discuss.
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:02 am

Just in case a yone has forgotten http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/campaign-group-stage-meeting-protest-9604412
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Sat Jul 11, 2015 10:45 am

As a side note. What would be happening now if John Harrhy (Nigel and Marks father) had become the new owner instead of Sandhu who won the bid to buy the stadium from the Ochiltree family? Apparently he was in the running at the time.
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Sat Jul 18, 2015 12:12 am

Here's a link to the company hoping to build on the site (companies house are currently offering a free beta version with lots of infomative links) https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08866112/officers
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Wed Aug 05, 2015 1:26 am

Here's a stunning site that is unfortunately earmarked for possible development and a bit to close to existing housing.....but WOW! I took our lad up there on his mountain bike a couple of weeks back (easy/unrestricted access; just up the hill from Sainsbury's and before the no lorries sign). There was some other youths giving it death on moto x's also and the setting is awesome http://www.matlockmercury.co.uk/news/local/220-homes-proposed-for-matlock-s-halldale-quarry-1-6949068 http://binged.it/1Ma2OEJ . If you are in the area take a look, you won't be disappointed.
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Wed Sep 16, 2015 12:46 am

I always like a long shot and an eccentric. So here's the best of both (it makes good read as well). Kevin Wheatcroft (son of Tom, RIP) Donington park race track/museum and massive private Nazi memorabilia owner http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3141195/British-tycoon-sleeps-Hitler-s-bed-100million-Nazi-memorabilia-collection-including-Panzer-tanks-V2-rockets.html .Well his father once offered Leicester City fc a site for their new stadium for free http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football-leicester-offered-ground-by-fan-1154197.html .
Having lost Leicesters Blackbird rd stadium to development many years ago and never being replaced with a site suitable for stox. And the seemingly inevitably of Coventry going the same way; would there be any milage in contacting Kevin in an effort to acquire a new site near to Coventry and Leicester?
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:14 pm

Just read on the dark side the messiah has posted to his mushrooms and he's fed them a little C_ _P, at the end of 2016 Coventry closes end of !get over it !
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:33 am

Yes, it's good to have a definitive statement; albeit from a tenant rather than the owner (who has been a bit conspicuous in his absence over the past couple of seasons). Maybe he has been a bit preoccupied finding the replacement site he said he would deliver? Along with becoming a director again, alongside Mr Rees, at midland sports agency ltd and a couple of new companies (all using Coventry stadium as their registered office) https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/officers/lHbaUjepTy_LYjM-DMKhwTPIBjM/appointments
Anyway its good to read that JH is promising a "step change" in the way they operate and present their events.
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Fri Oct 09, 2015 7:00 pm

Look he's only telling you what you want to hear,in this day and age a new stadium will not be built,so as posted get over it cos come next November 2016 you can give it a little wave goodbye and be thankful for what we've got !!!
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Sat Nov 21, 2015 7:16 pm

Whats the latest on Coventry stadium? I heard that no planing applications have gone in yet and that Mr Horton wants to put an offer in on the site in the region of £2 million (thats if no application for housing is granted......otherwise it will need to be in the region of £50+ million).
Has the alternate site proposal announcement now been put back until xmas?
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Sun Feb 07, 2016 3:15 pm

Well deadline after deadline for any new site has passed. Now the local council is readying for a planning application for the site https://binleywoodsparish.wordpress.com/2016/01/07/rbc-local-plan-consultation/ . The savecoventryspeedway page on facebook say they are going to pay Rugby norough council a visit later this month. But otherwise get down to the local meeting in the village hall this coming Friday for the latest news at 7.30pm.
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:02 pm

An interesting bit of legislation that has just appeared on facebook (which applies to all community buildings) https://m.facebook.com/groups/782314215165389
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Wed Feb 24, 2016 12:50 am

Well I see Mark Harrhy is digging into the possible new stadia site. If anyone sees him tell him to pop into moto45 and have a little chat (there's that number again)....it would make sense to keep all the noisy sports in the same area though.
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:09 am

Well its not got an engine but it does go round an oval........yes them dogs. No mention if dogs are likely to be included in any new site and some may not care too much. But they have coexisted alongside a number of tracks over the years and now they seem in some financial difficulties; which  may impact on a couple of our remaining tracks (Hall Green appears to be the lastest victim for the dogs). Here is an overview of how things are.....
Greyhound stadiums – gone to the dogs?
26 February 2016 | By Jon Severs

When a greyhound retires from racing, the Greyhound Board of Great Britain (GBGB) will proudly tell you that every effort is made to find it a home.

If current trends continue, that home could well be situated on the track on which the dog used to race. Slowly but surely, dog tracks are being replaced by housing developments.

Back in the 1930s, there were more than 50 dog tracks in the UK, according to the GBGB. Now there are just 25. “Greyhound racing remains popular and profitable, especially at weekends,” says Jonathan Kay, greyhound racing correspondent for the Racing Post. “But it has had to face up to bricks and mortar enclosing the traditional sites from all sides, then swallowing them up.”

So with the controversies surrounding the closure of tracks in Catford and Walthamstow still fresh in the memory, are we witnessing the final circuit of a rather worn track for one of working-class Britain’s most iconic sports?

Given the accelerated rate of closures over recent years, it is tempting to regard it as a modern phenomenon, but if the sport is dying it has been ill for a long time. Developers have circled dog tracks throughout the sport’s history, says Kay.

“Greyhound racing in the UK started in 1926 at Belle Vue, Manchester, and was an instant success to the extent that there was a rapid proliferation of new venues up and down the country,” he explains. “Generally, these were built on cheap land in the less desirable urban areas, but over time towns and cities developed and the value shot up, so some were sold for redevelopment fairly quickly.”

However, the housing crisis has exacerbated the situation. The 2008 property crash bought a few tracks some time, but the fact that the leading promoter - the Greyhound Racing Association (GRA) - was bought in 2005 by Risk Capital Partners meant the writing was on the wall for venues when the housing market recovered and demand for new housing rose up the political agenda.

As competition for land intensifies, dog tracks that were once on the outskirts of towns have become increasingly enticing. “As stadiums are often located on the edges of towns that have extended in recent years, many have started to look like prime development sites,” says Amanda Blythe-Smith, associate director, leisure and trading, at Savills. “[Many are] brownfield sites and potentially surrounded by housing already.”

Roger Hobkinson, director for destination and development consulting at Colliers, agrees. “When these tracks were developed they were in relatively low-cost working-class locations, but now many are on prime sites,” he says.

Long process

Both Catford and Walthamstow tracks are currently being redeveloped for housing, but the projects also act as a warning that the process can be long. Catford Stadium closed in 2003, but planning permission for homes was not granted until 2009 and Barratt Homes only finished the first phase of housebuilding last year. The second phase will not be completed until later this year.

Walthamstow Stadium, meanwhile, closed in 2008 and housing association L&Q was still in minor planning negotiations in November as building work continued, with a projected completion date of summer 2016.

However, the sale and redevelopment of Wimbledon Stadium, one of GRA’s tracks, appears to be going through more quickly. In December, Merton council unanimously approved planning permission for AFC Wimbledon, Galliard Homes and GRA to build a 20,000-seat stadium and 602 homes where the track stands. The plans are now with the mayor’s office.

The Wimbledon sale has led to speculation that other tracks owned by Risk Capital Partners/GRA in Birmingham, Manchester and Oxford will also be sold. In terms of the latter, though, planning permission for 225 homes was refused by Oxford council in 2013. The site has sat unused since, but the council is sticking to its guns. GRA declined to comment on the Oxford or Wimbledon sites. Nor would it comment on the future of its other sites.

However, despite the rash of closures to make way for housing, reports of the imminent death of greyhound racing in the UK may be premature.

According to the GBGB, it is still the fifth-largest spectator sport in the UK, with two million people attending races each year. It cites the opening of a new track in Towcester in 2014 as evidence of growth and believes the six tracks owned by bookmakers - Ladbrokes at Crayford and Monmore; Coral at Hove and Romford; and William Hill at Sunderland and Newcastle - are unlikely to be redeveloped.

Hobkinson is also confident some tracks will survive. “This does not mean the end for dog tracks; it is a market rationalisation,” he says. “In London, you probably only need one great destination track that the greyhound community can focus on. Dublin has a good example in Shelbourne Park.”

He goes so far as to suggest that there is a “smart developer” out there who will see an opportunity to build a contemporary dog track as part of a large mixed-use development. “They will see the benefit of putting one in a big London regeneration area, somewhere with great access to the wider London market, such as Silvertown, the Greenwich Peninsula or the Olympic Park.”

Such a venue would appeal to dog-racing fans, but could also tap into the corporate market and tourists looking for a fun experience, he says.

So greyhound racing may be losing some of its most historic tracks to the housing crisis, but demand from the public is still strong. This dog isn’t ready to roll over just yet.
It's sad when the government extracts extra revenue from bookmakers (Ladbrookes just made a loss) and then says they should also be contributing to the dogs welfare on top. Is it any wonder that track owners then see a drop off in takings and then start to invest less into their facilities?
Ps. Another article that is a bit of an eye opener http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/6582608/Greyhound-crowds-hit-all-time-low.html Wink  did anyone get to see "THAT" race? I bet even today that would generate a bit of free press lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:00 am

Good to read here https://m.facebook.com/groups/782314215165389 that Birmingham wheels park will be replaced under the Birmingham development plan 2031. This is goverment policy so should give a little more reassurance that it will happen.
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Tue May 10, 2016 11:57 pm

Please sign the petition and spread the word https://www.change.org/p/rugby-borough-council-save-coventry-stadium?recruiter=140560865&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=share_page&utm_term=mob-xs-share_petition-custom_msg&fb_ref=Default
Also a protest march is being planned (possibly to coincide with motofest) to raise more awareness.
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Wed May 18, 2016 7:58 pm

Public meeting is due to take place on Thursday 26th May at 19.30 https://m.facebook.com/groups/782314215165389
Invitations are being sent to Jeremy Heaver and Mick Horton to contribute!
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Sat May 28, 2016 5:02 pm

Well BriSCA/ORCI hang your heads in shame No  Unless there is even more to this than meets the eye; you appear to have fought the most gutless battle in modern times and treated fans and drivers like mushrooms.
If anyone else can shed more light on the people the stadia has supposedly been sold to (according to companies house the stadia is still an asset of Mr Sandhu). Mr Roger Lal appears to be the most active of the 3 directors of investin Brandon  https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08866112/officers . It would be nice to hear their side of the story and how they intend to develop the site and why the company is now registered in Jersey?
Also looking at the latest accounts for Coventry  https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/04486119/filing-history
There appears to be a J Singh with 33000 shares..... would there be any connection with this J Singh and Jatinder "Mickey" Singh; of money laundering notoriety?  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-20308824

Would it be worth asking sport England for further advice? https://www.sportengland.org/facilities-planning/planning-for-sport/aims-and-objectives/
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Thu Jun 02, 2016 12:41 pm

Grafter, what on earth would you expect BriSCA and ORCi to actually do ? They do not own the stadium. BriSCA / ORCi will support any promoter / track owner to the very best of it's ability if requested. It cannot however work on an 'emotional' basis and 'interfere' with other individuals business interests which in this case are quite complex.

Jeremy, backed by Sandhu has worked extremely hard in trying to find sites, which remains ongoing and a lot of this for due process reasons has to be 'behind' closed doors for confidentiality reasons. They also have to walk a 'tightrope' media wise at what they can divest. Mr Sandhu is the man in charge, I personally spoke with him last month as he came along to our April meeting and you could not ask to meet a more sincere and committed individual, the man is a gentleman and it genuinely is his intention to find a replacement site.

My knowledge is limited as a party with vested interests as we too run events at Coventry, personally I trust in Mr Sandhu and from the same personal perspective would certainly not interrogate or even interfere in his business interests particularly at the moment being in the media spotlight, far too much actually being said that can also be prejudicial to confidentiality. Mr Sandhu needs encouragement, not negative and speculative critique as it could be counter productive/

The future will develop and will be what it will be. Speedway and Stock Car fans with input from Coventry Stadium have engineered a very high profile campaign which has ensured it has the profile it requires from that perspective. It is not dissimilar to Wimbledon, Spedeworth would have had whatever supported it needed but again a difficult situation including landlords / tenants [ GRA ] and Spedeworth and there are a number of parties with different interests and life just isn't that simple - as i believe Cllr Stokes relayed at the most recent meeting.

It would be a matter of public record that the stadium was on the open market at the point of Mr Sandhu purchasing it, there was an opportunity for it to be purchased then by any individual. That opportunity also arose in the more recent past. The opportunity has been there for any promoter or private purchaser to step in - They didn't and there would be sound reasons for that, in part it's viability as a motor sports only stadium. Mr Sandhu invested to try and establish Greyhound racing which is the main revenue stream at venues such as Belle Vue and Sheffield and without which the stadiums would be redeveloped as they would not be viable to run motor sport alone. There is a need for a little more trust and importantly respect for individuals efforts, it is not all one sided. All matters which have huge commercial aspects cannot have the transparency everyone may desire, fact of life.
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