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carlton



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PostSubject: Two litre Zetec   Sun Jun 15, 2014 4:39 pm

2 Litre Ford Zetec


Quote "BriSCA F2 have granted permission to three drivers to run a trial of the 2 litre Ford Zetec engine during the remainder of the 2014 season.

The performance of the engine will be monitored on a per meeting basis, however the drivers will be able to race for normal points and prize money.

The engine is to be run in standard form only. Whilst the engine is being trialled, it will not be permitted for use in major championship events.

The three drivers granted permission are #3 Liam Rennie, #14 Mike Priddle and #464 Matt Linfield.

Taken from the official F2 website. End quote

Is this the same two litre Zetec that Superstox racing are using ?

Northern Ireland and Lochgelly Superstox numbers are rising slowly I'm informed, double figure, mid teen turnouts at many meetings nowadays, partly due to a lower cost engine, with many ex F2 drivers taking out licences.

Is this what BriSCA F2 needs at the moment to give it the boost it needs on the hard tracks, a cheaper engine and a cut in fixtures ? In my opinion yes, what do the rest of the F2 fans /drivers think ?

PS Ive posted on here as the Ftooz site doesn't appear to be getting any regular up dates any more. Its a shame as it used to be a very informative site but nowadays you just get bombarded with un wanted adverts.

Good luck Liam, Mike and Matt

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PostSubject: Re: Two litre Zetec   Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:08 pm

carlton wrote:

PS Ive posted on here as the Ftooz site doesn't appear to be getting any regular up dates any more. Its a shame as it used to be a very informative site but nowadays you just get bombarded with un wanted adverts.

boom! what you said, too many annoying adverts, used to be good, I liked the technical part, but now rarely used

also the owner went through a couple of changes of forum which meant re-registering, which ddint work well with some people so they just never went back.
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PostSubject: Re: Two litre Zetec   Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:44 am

I welcome this experiment (which was announced during the closed season) and hope that the selected drivers manage to get enough meetings in to allow some conclusions to be drawn.

Obviously the Pinto engine is becoming a little hard to find now and has always been a relatively expensive unit to build and maintain. As most will know there is an option to use the Duratec unit from Ford but this is a route which few have taken and it is rumoured to have issues. The Zetec engine is easy to obtain at a sensible price but will it be competitive in a standard form (130-135BHP as it left the factory), I guess that is what the tests are all about along with durability.

The version used in the Superstox (and presumably in this case too) is the 2.0 Blacktop, the Superstox rules allow very little modification and the parts with the potential to get out of hand are supplied directly by Spedeworth and numbered, these include flywheel, ECU and inlet manifold. I believe that they also use a standard exhaust manifold so they certainly seem to have the main points covered off.

Any rule which helps drivers to compete at a reduced cost can only be a good thing so it will be interesting to see the results although a slightly larger test group (maybe 5) might have been preferable along with an earlier start.
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PostSubject: Re: Two litre Zetec   Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:21 am

Got to agree........times move on. The Pinto has had its day, similar power to be had from newer tech' at a cheaper price (in stock form) and better emissions. I even said last year about the age of engine tech' on the ovals and the vast majority (other than the bike engines) came from pre 1975. There is always going to be some pain/complaining when drivers that have invested heavily in old tech', that has been modified (at great expense) to get those few extra HP. People don't like it when you say I can do the same as that at a fraction of the price........take amature radio for example, some folk spend thousands on that kit still but you can still speak to folk in Australia on a 10 mobile or use SKYPE. Time to find a unit that the budget racer can just get from the scrappers and be on the pace at a sensible price and I hope this will be be the case for a rejuvinated oval racing scene.
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PostSubject: Re: Two litre Zetec   Mon Jun 16, 2014 2:51 pm

Cant say I quite understand this move. The Zetec hasn't been made since about 2002 being superseded by the Duratec which I thought was already allowed. It just as expensive/cheap depending on your definition of cost as the Duratec to get ready to run in F2's, but the Zetec is already not that common, simply because cars are not held in scrapyards like they were years ago. People don't have them sitting around in their back gardens anymore due to the price of scrap etc, and cars are not held on to by their owners like they were. You can still get the last of the brand new"crated" Blacktop Zetec engines for about 800 but someone I spoke to recently who deals with these told me they are nearly all gone now from the supplier.
I think F2 for now need to stick to the Duratec which itself I believe is also coming to the end of it production line life. The Pinto has had an incredible lifespan and was fitted to so many models. To find an equally lasting engine is going to be very difficult as the current Ford engine line ups are not like the "good old days".

The costs of racing F2 are not just limited to the engines, gearboxes and the diffs they use are also to blame. 250 for a 3:7 diff, even the reproductions are about the same price now. 50 + for pair of Escort halfshafts, all adds up to way more than the average person can afford. Also a quick look around an F2 will see more costs in all the little bits of equipment they use.
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PostSubject: Re: Two litre Zetec   Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:42 am

I wonder if they would allow a trial of a diesel engine affraid ..........I would love to see a F2 with a VAG 1.9 pd engine fitted (the earlier ones from 2000 > 2008 I believe). The pick of the bunch is the 130bhp (bottom end is bullet proof until you go beyond 150 bhp). The torque curve is great (loads of low end power) and would launch off the turns............but how would you make it rear wheel drive only? (4wd has been used on some models though) scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Two litre Zetec   Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:51 am

The problem there Grafter would be the high pressure fuel lines I think.

I think if F2 survives another 20 years and I like to think it will, they will have to do some serious research into alternatives for all of the drive line including engines. I don't claim to have any answers, but I think if costs are to be kept down possibly some kind of control engine may be the way forward.
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PostSubject: Re: Two litre Zetec   Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:25 pm

I don't think a diesel has a large enough rev range for an f2, most rev out at around 4000rpm and the turbo doesn't really come into full effect until 1500-2000 so it doesn't give much of a rev range to play with.
Like it's been said before f2's do need a new engine but finding a long term solution is hard as most modern engines now have a relatively short production life but an engine that is plug in and play straight from the scrapyard would but be ideal.
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PostSubject: Re: Two litre Zetec   Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:39 pm

Have a word with these guys http://www.darksidedevelopments.co.uk/ .......you may be surprised Wink or failing that how about using an auto box....they certainly used them to good effect in the Dutch F1 field racers cars at one time scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Two litre Zetec   Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:10 am

How about a 4 cylinder Honda VTEC? The domestic banger chaps seem to have a limitless supply of Civics that go like stink.
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Grafter



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PostSubject: Re: Two litre Zetec   Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:49 pm

One of our reps has just come back from NI and was telling me about this place and some of the engines they do.......impressive........... http://www.holeshot-racing.co.uk/index.php/engines/h3-4cyl or even http://www.holeshot-racing.co.uk/index.php/engines/h1-v8-busa . A 3 litre V8 600Hp naturally aspirated engine revving to 14K and weighing in at just 95Kg would be fun in a F2 pale
A bespoke engine was what was proposed earlier in the thread as a replacement and bike engines like these have gained a cult following in the same way as the pinto and Chevy V8 ....... but it will come down to price/durability.
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PostSubject: Re: Two litre Zetec   Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:34 am

Looks like the other side has caught up on this topic...... http://www.nosmokenopoke.com/2013/10/the-zcars-diesel-grass-track-racer/ great write up and you guessed it...... engine by Darksidedevelopments.
Ps. Can't see much smoke.
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