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PostSubject: European 'Tarmac' Championship   Thu Mar 26, 2015 4:02 pm

I know this is an old arguement but I thought I'd be the first to bring it up this year.
Now that our sport has irrevocably been split into pretty much two separate sports - tarmac racing & shale racing - is it not time that the European Championship should be alternated between the surfaces?
The other major titles - World Final, Semis, British Championship etc all seem to alternate year on year, but the European has always been pretty much exclusively tarmac (the only year it was held on shale was the inaugral year when it was split over 2 legs between Long Eaton & Rochdale).

Surely with so many drivers sticking to one surface it's seems pretty unfair on the shale specialists - I can't think of any title that is run exclusively on shale (except obviously the World Of Shale Championship).

Could they not now run 2 European Titles - one for Tarmac & one for Shale - or am I just being stupid?
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PostSubject: Re: European 'Tarmac' Championship   Thu Mar 26, 2015 5:27 pm

Good point actually.

Would generate another "big" meeting.
For our Dutch drivers I think it would be great to have a European Shale Championship at Kings Lynn stadium.
Just turn one of their meetings into it or make a weekend of it.

It's the closest track for our overseas drivers and it's only fair that the stadium that seems to constantly improve should be given some reward for their investments. ***






*** hold on. That seems like a good idea.

There's zero chance of this happening then.

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PostSubject: Re: European 'Tarmac' Championship   Thu Mar 26, 2015 5:58 pm

Yes its been done to death.
No it will not happen.
For it work it would have to be a weekender meeting (drivers don't see the value in travelling across the water for just 1 meeting.....which ever way they are going).
Just look back to the great UK Open weekends at the turn of the century......loads of entertaining Dutch field racers came over. Then they went and turned it back to tarmac and now the event is just a shadow of its former glory.
Then you have to think why the Golden Helmet (bit of a naff name imo); organised between Coventry and Emmen (shale) never really took off......maybe due to it not being a weekender and clashing race dates in the UK with the Dutch round.
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PostSubject: Re: European 'Tarmac' Championship   Thu Mar 26, 2015 6:10 pm

Yes its been done to death.
No it will not happen.
For it work it would have to be a weekender meeting (drivers don't see the value in travelling across the water for just 1 meeting.....which ever way they are going).
Just look back to the great Skegness UK Open weekends at the turn of the century......loads of entertaining Dutch field racers came over. Then they went and turned it back to tarmac and now the event is just a shadow of its former glory.
Then you have to think why the Golden Helmet (bit of a naff name imo); organised between Coventry and Emmen (shale) never really took off......maybe due to it not being a weekender and clashing race dates in the UK with the Dutch round.
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PostSubject: Re: European 'Tarmac' Championship   Thu Mar 26, 2015 9:31 pm

Wont happen. Family that own n.i.r also oen the rights to the "EUROPEAN Championship.

Basically because nobody else wanted it back in the day .

Therefore no other brisca race meeting can be called European championship thats why they tried golden helmet at cov a few yrs ago.
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PostSubject: Re: European 'Tarmac' Championship   Thu Mar 26, 2015 11:07 pm

Holland is predominantly tar racing ain't it?.
They wouldn't come in enough numbers for shale, and it would not be competitive on shale, no dutch driver would finish in the top 15..
It has to be tar therefore.
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PostSubject: Re: European 'Tarmac' Championship   Thu Mar 26, 2015 11:13 pm

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Wont happen. Family that own n.i.r also oen the rights to the "EUROPEAN  Championship.

Basically because nobody else wanted it back in the day .

Therefore no other brisca race meeting can be called European championship thats why they tried golden helmet at cov a few yrs ago.

With rhetoric like this, this great sport of ours will never move forward.
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PostSubject: Re: European 'Tarmac' Championship   Thu Mar 26, 2015 11:13 pm

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Holland is predominantly tar racing ain't it?.
They wouldn't come in enough numbers  for shale, and it would not be competitive on shale, no dutch driver would finish in the top 15..
It has to be tar therefore.

I think there has been a big shift recently with the Dutch guys moving more towards the loose stuff.
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PostSubject: Re: European 'Tarmac' Championship   Fri Mar 27, 2015 7:53 am

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Holland is predominantly tar racing ain't it?.
They wouldn't come in enough numbers  for shale, and it would not be competitive on shale, no dutch driver would finish in the top 15..
It has to be tar therefore.
No its predominantly windmills and tulips (surely a keen horticulturalists like yourself knows that flower ).
Now just cast your mind back to the last world final and think how many Dutch came over......now think how many came over to the nir European? Dirt/shale is where the entertainment is in Holland.....it can't be long until they put some brown stuff down on that Venray place Laughing
Like I said before; just make a weekend of it with no clashing meetings and it will work. It could be called the NLUK Cup (pronounced no luck).
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PostSubject: Re: European 'Tarmac' Championship   Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:50 am

Keen horticulturist indeed!.
They came cos it was 'the world final' it was a 3 dayer and back on tarmac Sunday.
Did they have there own meeting on the Friday?.
And how did they fare on Shale again?.

The 'gold cup' is. The real European...
Our top boys go, and its game on.
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PostSubject: Re: European 'Tarmac' Championship   Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:02 pm

BobtheBuilder wrote:
I know this is an old arguement but I thought I'd be the first to bring it up this year.
Now that our sport has irrevocably been split into pretty much two separate sports - tarmac racing & shale racing - is it not time that the European Championship should be alternated between the surfaces?
The other major titles - World Final, Semis, British Championship etc all seem to alternate year on year, but the European has always been pretty much exclusively tarmac (the only year it was held on shale was the inaugral year when it was split over 2 legs between Long Eaton & Rochdale).

Surely with so many drivers sticking to one surface it's seems pretty unfair on the shale specialists - I can't think of any title that is run exclusively on shale (except obviously the World Of Shale Championship).

Could they not now run 2 European Titles - one for Tarmac & one for Shale - or am I just being stupid?


Bob, you might as-well go bang your head against a wall mate! What you say, I and many fans agree with, in-fact probably a number of Brisca and BSCDA officials would agree with, but.....

I truly think some people's hands are tied when it comes to certain Title events and where they go.. I few years ago they brought in a good idea that the World Final and British Championships would always be on alternative surfaces during a season.. It gives the ever increasing "only do one surface driveres" at-least one chance per season of competing for a major championship, and like I said, actually a good idea. However, if your a shale only racer, you'll never have a chance of winning that sadly..

It seems that no matter what, the European Championship will always be at NIR. Now, I know over the years they have put a lot of effort into this meeting, but for me that doesn't mean you should have a right to have it every season. The title needs shaking up, it's getting boring, each year merges into the next, moving it around the country,giving other tracks the opportunity to host it, might give it the boost it needs. Some tracks might do a better job? or they might not!, but you'll never know until they try. Sadly I don't think it will happen for a long yet as politics seem to come into force with regards this fixture..

And if Brisca/BSCDA did get it moved to another venue I truly believe there wouldn't be any F1 fixtures held at Brum, NIR or Hednesford that season leaving very few tracks for the tarmac boys to race at and a huge hole in the fixtures...

We can all hope but for now it will be in vain...

I'm sure that this years British, European, UK Master's, W'QR and Shootout rounds there will all live long in the memory!
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PostSubject: Re: European 'Tarmac' Championship   Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:26 pm

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And if Brisca/BSCDA did get it moved to another venue I truly believe there wouldn't be any F1 fixtures held at Brum, NIR or Hednesford that season leaving very few tracks for the tarmac boys to race at and a huge hole in the fixtures...
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What you trying to say Lee scratch scratch scratch
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PostSubject: Re: European 'Tarmac' Championship   Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:24 am

I think he is implying that incarworth would tell everyone to take their toys and play on someone else's park.
But that is going a tad off topic.......
We may see a slight increase in Dutch drivers for the June 5/6 Coventry meetings. Just a shame that Startax have had to choose June for the Friday fixture; July 31st would have fitted in with the family audience/ministox drivers a lot better imo (school holidays).
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PostSubject: Re: European 'Tarmac' Championship   Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:59 pm

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We may see a slight increase in Dutch drivers for the June 5/6 Coventry meetings. Just a shame that Startax have had to choose June for the Friday fixture; July 31st would have fitted in with the family audience/ministox drivers a lot better imo (school holidays).

Not sure the ministox would be wanting to come back from the Isle of Man where they are racing on Thursday, Saturday and Monday !!
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PostSubject: Re: European 'Tarmac' Championship   Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:19 pm

Blimey two exclamation marks!!!! Apologies for not checking the ministox calendar first; but they have their heads screwed on organising their offshore long weekend in the summer holidays. If they chose to I'm sure they could still have a good clashing meeting on shale (with the number of tarmac special minis now on track).
How is the arm now Dave?.....you never did get back to me as to wether you had a shock absorbing steering column fitted.
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PostSubject: Re: European 'Tarmac' Championship   Wed Apr 01, 2015 6:13 pm

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"Quote " And if Brisca/BSCDA did get it moved to another venue I truly believe there wouldn't be any F1 fixtures held at Brum, NIR or Hednesford that season leaving very few tracks for the tarmac boys to race at and a huge hole in the fixtures...
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What you trying to say Lee scratch scratch scratch "End Quote"

Many years ago in the days of the F2 BSCDA committee I wrote an article in the F2 drivers newsletter about changing the venue for the European F2 Championship, tarmac one year, shale the next.

At the time of the article Incarace was Incarace, but owner Philip Bond and racing manager Bev Greenhalf who I had known and got on well with for many, many years, gave me and the committee both barrels in their response.

Move the European F2 Championship from Northampton, and all F2 dates on the Incarace calendar will be scraped.

Looking at the bigger picture "We, the committee" decided to keep the F2 sport in the midlands on tarmac alive, hence F2 European at Northampton never challenged.

As regard F1 , sorry don't know, but assume a similar scenario was put to the drivers committee at the time.

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PostSubject: Re: European 'Tarmac' Championship   Wed Apr 01, 2015 7:32 pm

carlton wrote:
J4LMP wrote:


"Quote " And if Brisca/BSCDA did get it moved to another venue I truly believe there wouldn't be any F1 fixtures held at Brum, NIR or Hednesford that season leaving very few tracks for the tarmac boys to race at and a huge hole in the fixtures...
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What you trying to say Lee scratch scratch scratch "End Quote"

Many years ago in the days of the F2 BSCDA committee I wrote an article in the F2 drivers newsletter about changing the venue for the European F2 Championship, tarmac one year, shale the next.

At the time of the article Incarace was Incarace, but owner Philip Bond and racing manager Bev Greenhalf who I had known and got on well with for many, many years, gave me and the committee both barrels in their response.

Move the European F2 Championship from Northampton, and all F2 dates on the Incarace calendar will be scraped.

Looking at the bigger picture "We, the committee" decided to keep the F2 sport in the midlands on tarmac alive, hence F2 European at Northampton never challenged.

As regard F1 , sorry don't know, but assume a similar scenario was put to the drivers committee at the time.

Carlton


does that answer your question A1NOS? ;-)
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PostSubject: Re: European 'Tarmac' Championship   Thu Apr 02, 2015 12:25 pm

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carlton wrote:
J4LMP wrote:


"Quote " And if Brisca/BSCDA did get it moved to another venue I truly believe there wouldn't be any F1 fixtures held at Brum, NIR or Hednesford that season leaving very few tracks for the tarmac boys to race at and a huge hole in the fixtures...
!

What you trying to say Lee scratch scratch scratch "End Quote"

Many years ago in the days of the F2 BSCDA committee I wrote an article in the F2 drivers newsletter about changing the venue for the European F2 Championship, tarmac one year, shale the next.

At the time of the article Incarace was Incarace, but owner Philip Bond and racing manager Bev Greenhalf who I had known and got on well with for many, many years, gave me and the committee both barrels in their response.

Move the European F2 Championship from Northampton, and all F2 dates on the Incarace calendar will be scraped.

Looking at the bigger picture "We, the committee" decided to keep the F2 sport in the midlands on tarmac alive, hence F2 European at Northampton never challenged.

As regard F1 , sorry don't know, but assume a similar scenario was put to the drivers committee at the time.

Carlton


does that answer your question A1NOS?  ;-)

Well the fans should be at the forefront of these decisions.
Tell the offending bullying promoters to do one and just give the remaining fixtures to any remaining Tarmac tracks. Call their bluff.
The sport shouldn't be run like this, like some 1970's British Leylsnd trade union sham.

It will however continue to be run in this manner which is why we'll still be trecking down to NIR for the World Masters and having Tarmac European Championships until someone switches the lights out.

So to sum up J4, no my question remains unanswered to my liking. 👍👍👍
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PostSubject: Re: European 'Tarmac' Championship   Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:07 am

Well the prophecy came true and some of our Dutch friends made the trip over to Coventry despite a clashing fixture in Holland. With a little more planning re non clashing fixtures I'm sure more would come over anc make a weekend of it.
As a side note to last weekends double bill; i was asked by a friend "why if both promotions had been working so closely together was there not a discounted ticket available for those doing both nights racing"? It made me think for a moment and maybe it would have boosted the gate a little on the Friday.
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PostSubject: Re: European 'Tarmac' Championship   Wed Jun 10, 2015 9:06 am

You could also start saying that the world championship should be held in Holland and other countries too...
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PostSubject: Re: European 'Tarmac' Championship   Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:18 pm

it should stay where it is

however over the years less and less dutch come over and compete at it, and I think in part this is due to the loss of Bev Greenhalf who did superb work with the dutch drivers - there isnt anyone carrying on Bevs role and so the championship has suffered

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PostSubject: Re: European 'Tarmac' Championship   Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:38 pm

Southy wrote:
You could also start saying that the world championship should be held in Holland and other countries too...
Nah that topic has been done to death. We just need one weekend per season where we can all come together on shale with no clashing meetings with the UK/Holland. But there's about as much chance of that as it being called the Pan European Nations Invitation Shield Cup.
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