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Grafter



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PostSubject: F1 consi semi?   Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:33 am

Is this years consolation semi just made up of losing semi finalists or (like in the past) will all non qualfied world championship point scorers be allowed to race? Didn't the non semi finalists use to form a seperate grid at the back of the losing semi finalists or have i dreamed this?
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steven



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PostSubject: Re: F1 consi semi?   Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:33 pm

Would have to check the rule book myself Grafter! Have received a grid from Guy and last addition is 321 - Current F1 numbers a healthy 36 with close on 40 BriSCA F2's! The grid and booking list [ as of yesterday ] is on our website and bookings will be updated again tomorrow night as a few have come in since yesterdays updated
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PostSubject: Re: F1 consi semi?   Thu Aug 27, 2015 1:08 pm

Might as well post as can't get on that elite site just read what that self opinionated idiot has put on regarding Mondays meeting if you're not going don't post let the fan's decide if it's a good meeting or not Christ its still 4 days away and he's giving it the kiss of death already
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steven



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PostSubject: Re: F1 consi semi?   Thu Aug 27, 2015 1:11 pm

Who are your referring to - Chunder on Stonxet by any chance ? Will try and post the grid later for you bounce
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steven



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PostSubject: Re: F1 consi semi?   Thu Aug 27, 2015 1:19 pm

Just went on the dark side! Bang on the money - and honest, I just knew - Must do names that tune!!!! Monday's programme will then be refreshing and illuminating as it answers many of the keyboard warriors rant's in recent weeks lol! Very Happy with FACT and substance.

A bit like the individual suggesting a boycott of this, or that and conspiracy theories, what I learned last year was 'Don't feed the troll!' - and ironically such highly self opinionated agenda driven individuals are probably the reason for that forums decline as everyone goes - sigh - lol! The future must be Beaks net!

If I explained why the Consi SF is at Belle Vue this year I would spoil the programme piece! However, the reason is not a lot different to why we chose to have it there last year when it was our WF at Coventry and that was to book in more drivers who wanted to race ALL the meeting and not just the CSF trying to deliver better value for paying fans..................It's all in the programme but sorry, no longer prepared to debate on forums - but perhaps I'll give Beaksnet an explore next week when I have time!
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PostSubject: Re: F1 consi semi?   Thu Aug 27, 2015 1:22 pm

Correct, I don't agree with what he's saying ,sometimes a consi semi can be a better race than a hyped up semi,as I said post by all means if you intend going but shut up if not. !
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PostSubject: Re: F1 consi semi?   Thu Aug 27, 2015 1:27 pm

Steven ,I don't think you should have to explain yourself as to the how's and why's just to satisfy somebody that's not even going !!!!
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Grafter



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PostSubject: Re: F1 consi semi?   Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:51 pm

Back on topic. Cast your mind back to 2014 Steven and see if the old grey matter recalls this event http://f1stockcars.com/meeting-reports/belle-vue-world-consolation-report-and-photo-gallery/ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RgvmxdRNZ3k
Btw I'm sure its not only me thats noticed that Chunder takes posts off topic at every opportunity.....just look at the racing ratings for virtually every meeting. Rather than start a new topic and seperate his issues from a well established review; they are lost in a nauseating mish mash of tit for tat.
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PostSubject: Re: F1 consi semi?   Fri Aug 28, 2015 9:18 am

Not sure why certain people (on Stoxnet) seem to have such a problem with the CSF being at Belle Vue? From 1989 - 2006, the CSF was always run as a separate meeting - it was only Kings Lynn in 2007 when it became part of the WF meeting itself.
At the end of the day it's a stock car meeting, which we all love. Why would someone discourage people from going just because they don't agree?
Unfortunately nowadays everyone's got an opinion and the negative posts seem to attract more attention.
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steven



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PostSubject: Re: F1 consi semi?   Fri Aug 28, 2015 1:37 pm

Bookings now 37 BriSCA F1's - a 2/3rds format is being used - and Guy has supplied the split and CSF Qualifiers.

Ht1 con semi grid
Front
166. 231
45

388 446
152 422
321 335
249 37
462

53 220
94

4 car lengths then
207 175
326 238
202

.......,,,,,

Heat 2
16. 55
212 217
515

445 94

37 388
463 422
Nz118 462

45 198
215 216
237 238
326 231

32. 75
134. 424
.....,,,,,,,,


Heat 3
16. 55
212 217
515

445 202
53 220

152 335
446. 463
Nz118

175 166
215 237
198 207
216


32. 75
134. 424

Your are correct, KL decided to run it WF day in 2007 [ and what a good one it was too! ] - 2008 Ipswich had local restriction issues [ some now have been negotiated and eased ] 2014 : We wanted as many UK drivers and Overseas drivers as possible at Coventry - I think Friday was biggest overseas car count to date and we had saloons, so we wanted 'regular' competitors to have priority . This year Matt has pit space maximums with temporary stand using some and adopted same as us....... Coventry next year probably will not have a support formula so may well elect to run the CSF on the night, it isn't any rule or agreement where it is set in tablets of stone.

Monday's has a full grid of 20
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steven



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PostSubject: Re: F1 consi semi?   Fri Aug 28, 2015 2:43 pm

# Name Home Town
16 Matt Newson Norwich, Norfolk
32 Chris Farnell Clitheroe, Lancs
37 Chris Cowley Nuneaton, Warwickshire
45 Nigel Harrhy Solihull, West Midlands.
53 John Lund Clitheroe, Lancs
55 Craig Finnikin Leek, Stafforshire
75 Thomas Stevenson Carnforth, Lancs
94 John Dowson Co Durham
134 John Brown Liversedge, West Yorkshire
152 Neil Scothern Derby
166 Bobby Griffin Retford, Notts
175 Karl Hawkins Towcester
198 Nigel Whalley Northwich, Cheshire.  
202 Henry Hunter Preston, Lancashire
207 Ben Hurdman Radford, Nr Inkberrow
212 Danny Wainman Silsden, West Yorkshire
215 Geoff Nickolls Melton Mowbray, Leicestershire
216 Jack France Liversedge, West Yorkshire
217 Lee Fairhurst Bolton, Lancashire
220 William Hunter Preston, Lancashire
231 Daniel van Spijker The Netherlands
237 Ollie Ives Cleakheaton, West Yorks
238 Richard Bryan Clitheroe, Lancs
249 Jonathon Gibson Bury, Lancs
318 Rob Speak Leigh,Lancs
321 Ed Neachell Sutton Coldfield
326 Mark Sargent Spalding, Lincs
335 Mark Woodhull Loughborough, Leicestershire
388 Paul Ford St Boswells
422 Ben Riley Manchester
424 Michael Heywood Middletone, Manchester
445 Nigel Green Gilmorton, Leicestershire
446 Joe Booth Huddersfield, West Yorks
462 Scott Davids Swinton, Manchester
463 James Morris Warrington, Cheshire
515 Frankie Wainman Silsden, Keighley, West Yorks
NZ118 Bryce Steiner New Zealand

2015 World Championship Consolation Semi Final

Belle Vue - 31st August

Yellow Tops
Row 1 166 Bobby Griffin 231 Daniel Van Spijker
Row 2 45 Nigel Harrhy
Blue Tops
Row 3 388 Paul Ford 446 Joe Booth
Row 4 152 Neil Scothern 422 Ben Riley
Row 6 321 Ed Neachell 462 Scott Davids
Row 7 335 Mark Woodhull 249 Jof Gibson
Row 8 37 Chris Cowley
Red Tops
Row 9 53 John Lund 220 Will Hunter
Row 10 94 John Dowson


Row11 207 Ben Hurdman 175 Karl Hawkins
Row12 326 Mark Sargent 238 Richard Bryan
Row13 202 Henry Hunter

20 car grid


Then Reserves in order if needed
1st 216 Jack France
2nd 237 Ollie Ives
3rd 134 John Brown
4th 32 Chris Farnell
5th 198 Nigel Whalley
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Grafter



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PostSubject: Re: F1 consi semi?   Fri Aug 28, 2015 8:34 pm

Nice to see the grid now includes the reserves but how about a little change for the future? Allow all non qualifying world championship point scorers into the race (top 36 available max) then grid them in points order just like the 2 semis. This would boost the number of cars in the race and give those who have only scored a few points the opportunity of grabbing a bit of the lime light for their efforts.
Another point in question....should the consi semi be on the world final night rather than a seperate meeting? Just ask Lee Fairhurst.....if Derek had not dropped out with mechanical woes on that epic night he would have never have even been in THAT race.
Ps. Steve your poster for the meeting states up to 28 care in the world consi race but above it says a 20 car grid. Is there a 20 car limit on this race or are there no other drivers on less wcq points wanting to race?....the devil is in the detail.
Update:
Just seen this on the startrax website....

2015 World Championship Consolation Semi Final

Yellow Tops
Row 1 166 Bobby Griffin 231 Daniel Van Spijker
Row 2 45 Nigel Harrhy
Blue Tops
Row 3 388 Paul Ford 446 Joe Booth
Row 4 152 Neil Scothern 422 Ben Riley
Row 6 321 Ed Neachell 462 Scott Davids
Row 7 335 Mark Woodhull 249 Jof Gibson
Row 8 37 Chris Cowley
Red Tops
Row 9 53 John Lund 220 Will Hunter
Row 10 94 John Dowson

15 Cars Confirmed

Row11 207 Ben Hurdman 175 Karl Hawkins
Row12 326 Mark Sargent 238 Richard Bryan
Row13 202 Henry Hunter
20 car grid

Then Reserves in order if needed
1st 216 Jack France
2nd 237 Ollie Ives
3rd 134 John Brown
4th 32 Chris Farnell
5th 198 Nigel Whalley

So it says up to 28 cars on the poster yet the grid is set to 20 cars (with reserves if needed). Common Steve allow the 28 to take part if there's enough wanting to have a go!
Go on Nigel (Whalley) you can do it!
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steven



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PostSubject: Re: F1 consi semi?   Sat Aug 29, 2015 11:59 am

Guy has produced the grid from the booking list which is now on 38 so not had any influence on that one way or another!

It is the World Championship Consolation Semi Final - has been for many years since it was inaugurated, on the dark side it's a misrepresentaion in advertising terms - oh dear, we will have to be PC next year and 'dumb it down' lol!

Hopefully it will produce as good a race as last year, and cough, Clitheroe does well! bounce

It's the time of year for the 'Smiley face' Very Happy - The World Series and Final itself, warts and all, is still vintage,classic, historic with a great heritage, why change what is fantastic and served the test of time !
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Grafter



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PostSubject: Re: F1 consi semi?   Sat Aug 29, 2015 1:44 pm

So was the up to 28 cars a typo? (You will have to start putting E&O excluded in the small print). All the fans want is a well run race with "too many cars on too small a track". See if you can twist Guys arm for a bit of a rethink and let a few more on the back of the grid who have scored a few wcq points.
Ps. On your fixtures page it also says this meeting is a NS round, if so, you have undersold the meeting. If not then it looks like a.......typo.
"Belle Vue Stadium – Manchester – Holiday Monday 31st August 3.30.pm
BriSCA F1 Stock Car Racing – NS Round + World Championship Consolation Semi Final + BriSCA F2 Stock Cars, National Ministox & 1600cc Bangers & Rollover Ch’ship Final"
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PostSubject: Re: F1 consi semi?   Tue Sep 01, 2015 9:33 pm

Can anyone tell me why the grid for this consi semi was capped at 20 cars please. It has been more in the past (28 here at KL) https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D9rj79TlESOY&q=kings%20lynn%20consolation%20semi%20final&ved=0CCEQtwIwAWoVChMI44GgotXWxwIVC6ZyCh2x-g9U&usg=AFQjCNGuPbVnQP4ifxvLOSBAaZgtbQuvZg
And yes i was a bit miffed that Mr Whalley wasn't in the race (he showed he had the pace with a nice heat win later Very Happy ).
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steven



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PostSubject: Re: F1 consi semi?   Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:25 pm

Sorry can't answer Grafter, received list of qualifiers plus reserves inc grid from BSCDA

Not got time to check but if memory serves me correct there has been an amendment to qualifiers - when you quote 28, I believe points scorers outside Semis were allowed to boost grid [ but I might be talking out of my rear end also lol! ]

Still a cracking race - and brilliant that King John made it through - and won the GN too! bounce The perfect day!
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PostSubject: Re: F1 consi semi?   Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:49 pm

Thanks for the reply Steve but it could still do with clarification for future. Yes it was a good meeting.....not epic and a bit too long. We had to leave before the end as the kids were starting back to school next morning (different holidays to your area; pencil a reminder in your diary for next season......assuming you get the bank holidays in the new fixture list).
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PostSubject: Re: F1 consi semi?   Wed Sep 02, 2015 1:10 pm

Will enquire next week when more time Grafter.

I apologise for it finishing late = exacerbated by the fact it seems longer because of late afternoon start.

We 'aim to finish' for 8 'ish'

Sunday for a whole host of reasons did not run as slick as usual, a number of reasons!

1. We got off to a bad start as we had to accommodate Speedway's last minute rain off fixture Sunday prior, so the team had hard graft in having to put the safety fence up Sunday morning - and in the wet

2. We had rain all morning together with putting the track back after speedway and have to finish it off after the Fence team concluded!

3. We got off to a 'sluggish' start as Anita Newson advised me at 3.35.pm that Scott David's was about 20 minutes away so to give him chance to get there and in the CSF I switched the second 2 races around costing us another 10 minutes as the F2's were not ready - they would usually be lined up - TBH helpful as still a lot of people coming in through the turnstiles at 3.45.pm Indeed that was the case until 4.30.pm due to traffic etc.

4. After all the rain we graded the track to try and get it perfect for the CSF and after more rain, meeting final - That adds another 20 or so minutes,

5. The racing was brutal hence 20+ cautions and the F1 Final took 47 minutes to complete, 2 stoppages, the biggest 'trying to part' 2 cars [ which we need to look at how to do it better! ]

Bit of a nightmare day at the office and with all that, where usually F1's would be finished for 7.50ish - that became an hour later!

However, Belle Vue would not work with F1/F2/Minis only - sorry - [unless a major Championship ] due to the crowd needed to cover the running costs - we have a crowd of 60% Mr 2.2s, similar to Skegness in the Summer and they are 'cosmopolitan' and are F1 fans for the future but expect to see 'Bangers' and really enjoy them. We even had a group of 17 Orthodox Jews who have become regulars, such are the different cultures and a high percentage of families.
We cannot run something like the rollover Championship at the beginning for a variety of reasons - the biggest, many locals are still coming up to an hour after start - we also like to get F1 finished before Bangers etc so travellers can get away.

But despite the over-run, for which on behalf of the team, I apologise, the racing was very good and excellent feedback from 'Newbies' - I had invited business wise a family who had never been before and were blown away. Also around 60% plus of the audience were still there for the rollover.

Every race programmed was run - and including rollover competition finished at 9.15.pm

Our curfew is 9.30 - 10 but we try to start early and get finished [where we can for 8 - 8.30.pm [ out of respect to our neighbours ]

And yes Belle vue is back on Bank Holidays in 2016 - not forgetting Christmas 2015! santa

and yes school holidays vary which is frustrating in planning - Most in this area do not return until tomorrow! But not all!
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PostSubject: Re: F1 consi semi?   Wed Sep 02, 2015 10:09 pm

Grafter wrote:
So was the up to 28 cars a typo? (You will have to start putting E&O excluded in the small print). All the fans want is a well run race with "too many cars on too small a track". See if you can twist Guys arm for a bit of a rethink and let a few more on the back of the grid who have scored a few wcq points.
Ps. On your fixtures page it also says this meeting is a NS round, if so, you have undersold the meeting. If not then it looks like a.......typo.
"Belle Vue Stadium – Manchester – Holiday Monday 31st August 3.30.pm
BriSCA F1 Stock Car Racing – NS Round + World Championship Consolation Semi Final + BriSCA F2 Stock Cars, National Ministox & 1600cc Bangers & Rollover Ch’ship Final"

The way I see it is that there were 48 cars in the semis. 20 qualified for the World Final leaving 28 cars available for the consolation semi. This gives the "up to 28" cars. However some chose not to attend the consolation semi, thus reducing numbers.
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PostSubject: Re: F1 consi semi?   Thu Sep 03, 2015 7:27 am

Thanks Graham i like your theory but a quick check shows this did not happen at (the only one i checked) Kings Lynn in 2009. http://f1stockcars.com/news/world-championship-2009-semi-final-grids/ . So i think they went further down the reserve list to make the grid up to 28 cars.
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PostSubject: Re: F1 consi semi?   Sat Sep 12, 2015 12:28 am

[quote="steven"]Will enquire next week when more time Grafter.

Have had chance to quiz Guy or someone yet Steve? Intriguing to know why the differences between events in the past and this years.
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PostSubject: Re: F1 consi semi?   Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:06 am

Bump scratch
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PostSubject: Re: F1 consi semi?   Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:33 pm

[quote="steven"]Will enquire next week when more time Grafter.

Any word from Guy yet Steve?
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