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Grafter



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PostSubject: Looking back/Going forwards   Sat Sep 26, 2015 1:51 pm

Well having had chance to reflect on the F1's world final meeting; how was it for you? I thought the promotion promised nothing and they delivered it. Do I feel dissappointed?......only in myself and that was for taking the kids along (paying out for them and to then hear them whine "can we go home now? I'm bored!"). Something wrong here and I've not heard them say that at a regular Kings Lynn offering before.
The promotion says the delays were unavoidable but I beg to differ. The delays were a freak coming together of things which could have been put right in the past imo but weren't. The track grading and driver intros should have been organised better......all cars/drivers in the centre in a single file loop whilst the grading is done and quick interviews done (of drivers previously asked if they want to go on the mic'). Then the cheers for drivers as the grid is formed one at a time and the water bowser can water the infield prior to the start (if needed).
Then there should be a decent rumble strip around the edge of the turns and all the tyres done away with. There should only be one substantial safety area in the centre for the recovery tractor and paramedics....sorry no photographers in the centre or marshalls ((just need more traffic lights and do away with the starter (only need them to wave the chequered flag or black flag)).
Also the events which lead to Dylans horrible injury (get well soon Dylan the sport needs more characters like you) could have been minimised/avoided with better design. Having witnessed a cracked helmet from an impact you soon realise that what you think is a good gap in the cab is not. Seatbelts stretch (Nylon upto 18% and Polyester half of that and the skeleton deforms much more than you would think possible). So strap your driver in tight and pull all the loose bits of them as far as you can to try and reach the solid bits. Now slacken the belts off ( eg. If the webbing is 1m long we allow 20% for stretch and skeletal deformation....so thats 20cms! Then have another tug). Arm tethers and 7 point harnesses would not be ott imo. Also make sure there is a throttle stop fitted on the carb' to ensure it can't go "over centre" and keep the mechanical linkage as simple as possible to avoid it getting jammed anywhere.
As for the future in general then here's a list of web sites I found of interest.... http://www.hotrod.com/features/history/stories/ctrp-0411-being-a-promoter-motorsports/
http://insidedirtracing.com/turns-2-blog-the-elements-of-good-promoting/
http://www.trackforum.com/forums/showthread.php/171610-Local-track-promotion-ideas
http://www.stockcarracing.com/featurestories/scrp_0706_local_racing_promoters/
http://www.4m.net/showthread.php?187573-Track-Promotions-Ideas
http://www.examiner.com/article/how-do-we-keep-dirt-track-racing-alive
http://www.onedirt.com/features/the-challenges-of-marketing-the-modern-dirt-track/
http://www.marketingprofs.com/ea/qst_question.asp?qstid=35212
And last but by no means least
http://www.promotersnewsletter.com
I hope this doesn't come across as moaning but more as a positive way forwards.
Right I'm off to watch the best world final of the year now.
Cheers Ace
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PostSubject: Re: Looking back/Going forwards   Sat Sep 26, 2015 3:19 pm

There wasn't alot of entertainment in my opinion to value the £33 ticket. Yes its a world final but going back to Bradford days there use to be monster trucks and stunt drivers.

They could have rolled the world final out quicker which after the top 4 or 6 they did. Was that the plan? As for the delays I think they had to take the time they did regarding Dylan but the other delays which saw Smith Jnr take over the 15 mins allocated time. If that was a yellow top I'm sure they would have been asked to leave the track. During the delay for Dylan I was disappointed that they didn't try interview the remaining drivers or other drivers that had exited the race. Try fill in the time with some positives.

In terms of the marshalls and lights it’s a catch 22. Drivers will struggle to see the lights first time, the actual lights appears small do larger lights and maybe some over the start line? So having marshalls on track can help although are they needed on the infield, maybe just have them on the outside? Where I do scratch my head is with the photographers – they should be nowhere near the marker tyres and let’s face it – they will have their back turned away from most of the cars most of the time. Camera’s are far too good these days that they can take decent photos from a safety area as mentioned in the previous post.
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PostSubject: Re: Looking back/Going forwards   Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:28 am

Grafter wrote:
Well having had chance to reflect on the F1's world final meeting; how was it for you? I thought the promotion promised nothing and they delivered it. Do I feel dissappointed?......only in myself and that was for taking the kids along (paying out for them and to then hear them whine "can we go home now? I'm bored!"). Something wrong here and I've not heard them say that at a regular Kings Lynn offering before.
The promotion says the delays were unavoidable but I beg to differ. The delays were a freak coming together of things which could have been put right in the past imo but weren't. The track grading and driver intros should have been organised better......all cars/drivers in the centre in a single file loop whilst the grading is done and quick interviews done (of drivers previously asked if they want to go on the mic'). Then the cheers for drivers as the grid is formed one at a time and the water bowser can water the infield prior to the start (if needed).
Then there should be a decent rumble strip around the edge of the turns and all the tyres done away with. There should only be one substantial safety area in the centre for the recovery tractor and paramedics....sorry no photographers in the centre or marshalls ((just need more traffic lights and do away with the starter (only need them to wave the chequered flag or black flag)).
Also the events which lead to Dylans horrible injury (get well soon Dylan the sport needs more characters like you) could have been minimised/avoided with better design. Having witnessed a cracked helmet from an impact you soon realise that what you think is a good gap in the cab is not. Seatbelts stretch (Nylon upto 18% and Polyester half of that and the skeleton deforms much more than you would think possible). So strap your driver in tight and pull all the loose bits of them as far as you can to try and reach the solid bits. Now slacken the belts off ( eg. If the webbing is 1m long we allow 20% for stretch and skeletal deformation....so thats 20cms! Then have another tug). Arm tethers and 7 point harnesses would not be ott imo. Also make sure there is a throttle stop fitted on the carb' to ensure it can't go "over centre" and keep the mechanical linkage as simple as possible to avoid it getting jammed anywhere.
As for the future in general then here's  a list of web sites I found of interest....  http://www.hotrod.com/features/history/stories/ctrp-0411-being-a-promoter-motorsports/  
http://insidedirtracing.com/turns-2-blog-the-elements-of-good-promoting/  
http://www.trackforum.com/forums/showthread.php/171610-Local-track-promotion-ideas  
http://www.stockcarracing.com/featurestories/scrp_0706_local_racing_promoters/  
http://www.4m.net/showthread.php?187573-Track-Promotions-Ideas    
http://www.examiner.com/article/how-do-we-keep-dirt-track-racing-alive    
http://www.onedirt.com/features/the-challenges-of-marketing-the-modern-dirt-track/  
http://www.marketingprofs.com/ea/qst_question.asp?qstid=35212
And last but by no means least  
http://www.promotersnewsletter.com
I hope this doesn't come across as moaning but more as a positive way forwards.
Right I'm off to watch the best world final of the year now.
Cheers Ace

Have you ever considered becoming a consultant for BriSCA as you seem to have all the answers...

It'd be an ace position to have, ace.

Cheers,

Ian B
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PostSubject: Re: Looking back/Going forwards   Mon Sep 28, 2015 6:04 pm

Thanks Mr Beaks but I doubt BriSCA could afford me (in BriSCA currency I currentlty charge 3 groats a swede and a bunch of beetroot per week). Laughing
One thing that I have come to relise is that the drivers are a special breed and the sport can do strange things to them. They know most of the risks they take and accept that the next race could be thier last but once its in the blood they rarely find anything to top the rush it gives them......maybe BriSCA should start marketing it as a legal high scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Looking back/Going forwards   Mon Sep 28, 2015 9:45 pm

The problem is that the promoters are criticised when they don't put anything on, but when they have put things on in the past people have criticised what has been offered.

Tarmac tracks may be able to offer on track entertainment, but it is difficult for a shale track to do so as it may effect track preparation.
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PostSubject: Re: Looking back/Going forwards   Tue Sep 29, 2015 7:43 am

Graham with all due respect (I love that phrase....it's like a nice way of saying you're wrong). These higher profile events need to set themselves apart from your average meeting. I'm not bothered if what they could put on is rubbish (often the rubbish offerings are what we look back on and actually remember the most and then relate this to the meetings victor). Both shale world final venues we currently have are tarmac infields, so could host numerous entertainment.....drift cars/motorcycle display at one end of the scale to a local orchestra performing some fitting classical greats at the other. Throw in a bit of a carnival feel for good measure and we are laughing (how about a dog versus driver agility course?). One thing is for sure it doesn't have to cost a lot to put on a memorable show (for the right or wrong reasons ).
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