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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:33 pm

Just had a quick look at Brum's F2 booking list, currently 35 cars, but two names stick out like a sore thumb, Novice of the year contenders 542 Steve Gilbert son of South West legend "The Undertaker" Peter Gilbert and Courtney Finnikin 55, daughter I believe of Stuart Finnikin.

Let battle commence !

See you at the weekend, just have to get up earlier to sort the garage out!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Thu Feb 27, 2014 8:01 am

Sorry Carlton but that must rate as one of the most tenuous links to a hot topic ever  lol! 
Thanks for the reply Steve........that rates as one of your most candid and dare I say honest replies to date  Shocked 
So may be its time to consolidate and put all our money into secure venues based only on the good of the long term future and stability of oval racing/speedway in general?
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:47 pm

90% of stadiums are on a lease. I think the best reality is 'destiny' and that cannot be controlled. One can do one's best to try and achieve immortality but healthy living / perfect lifestyle does not guarantee that. Similarly, so this story goes.

Enjoy life [ stock car racing ] whilst you have it, very difficult to plan for the unknown, particularly when lots of nought;s are involved. However, be certain the product will never disappear, it will just adapt to changing circumstances and cars will still race in circles somewhere. One of those changes COULD be to follow Holland and auto grass in finding a suitably located field track that can run x times a year without implications of planning [ albeit there are other considerations of noise/environmental ]
and, we are not at the stage of needing to seek that solution as yet.
There will always be drivers, equally whilst there are drivers there will almost certainly always be entrepreneurial promoters. Be assured there will be a future and like the whole of life it has through necessity got to be fluid!
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Thu Feb 27, 2014 8:01 pm

LOL. Just trying to be positive Grafter, been accused of being negative before, I turn sunny side up and get knocked down again !!!!!

I mentioned a few years back about the option of a grass track/dirt track set up for F2 racing when things were getting tight for the shale racers and basically got told shut up are you on some form of drugs !

Long live stock car racing, where ever it may be.

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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Sat Mar 01, 2014 12:20 am

Spoke to a guy who used to work for British Geological at Keyworth earlier today and ran the idea of using ex quarries past him. He said the idea was possible and that there are some which may fit the criterea (the ones used to extract limestone/sandstone would be the better ones as they are more free draining and thus not suitable for landfill due to something he called leachate.Some have a clause in the terms of use saying that they must be restored to leisure use after completion of mining).
So with the added bonus of a noise wall and a wow factor for its setting (should make for a great atmosphere), along with being totally undesireable for housing, might this be worth a little further investigating?
I was amazed at the amount of mines/quarries there are around just in the Midlands http://www.aditnow.co.uk/mines-quarries-uk-regions/midlands/
All this effort though to find/get planning and build a new track though does make me wonder what the asking price is for Coventry as it stands now. Surely it can't be so high that a promotion team would rather fight to get planning permission/build and start over? If you look at the (unreal world of football) likes of Real Madrid and that is owned by the fans then maybe a joint effort between fans/drivers/riders of ALL disceplins from across the country could just about buy it out........now I am dreaming am I not?
Also according to Duedil Jatinder "Mickey" Singh is still a 9.35% shareholder at Coventry https://www.duedil.com/company/04486119/coventry-stadium-limited . So I wonder what the the revenue make of this if its still the case?
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:19 am

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LOL. Just trying to be positive Grafter, been accused of being negative before, I turn sunny side up and get knocked down again !!!!!

I mentioned a few years back about the option of a grass track/dirt track set up for F2 racing when things were getting tight for the shale racers and basically got told shut up are you on some form of drugs !

Long live stock car racing, where ever it may be.

Carlton
Can't knock you for being positive Carlton. There will always be racing somewhere/somehow unless fuel prices go so out of reach of joe public and then won't have to worry about racing as there will be civil war/anarchy to deal with. If you are traveling up from Kings Lynn to Skeg then call in here for a couple of hours on Sunday morning http://xtreme-action-images.com/sandrace/index.html (now now you can moan at me for going off topic  lol! - but the track pre is easy and its the same for everyone).
And a recent blog http://sideburnmag.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/mablethorpe-beach-races-2014-report.html
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Sun Mar 02, 2014 1:06 am

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carlton wrote:
LOL. Just trying to be positive Grafter, been accused of being negative before, I turn sunny side up and get knocked down again !!!!!

I mentioned a few years back about the option of a grass track/dirt track set up for F2 racing when things were getting tight for the shale racers and basically got told shut up are you on some form of drugs !

Long live stock car racing, where ever it may be.

Carlton
Can't knock you for being positive Carlton. There will always be racing somewhere/somehow unless fuel prices go so out of reach of joe public and then won't have to worry about racing as there will be civil war/anarchy to deal with. If you are traveling up from Kings Lynn to Skeg then call in here for a couple of hours on Sunday morning http://xtreme-action-images.com/sandrace/index.html (now now you can moan at me for going off topic  lol! - but the track pre is easy and its the same for everyone).
And a recent blog http://sideburnmag.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/mablethorpe-beach-races-2014-report.html

Grafter 20 years ago when my parents were alive they lived 5 mins walk from the beach and there was 4 wheel racing then just like in Guernsey and Jersey
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:22 pm

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All this effort though to find/get planning and build a new track though does make me wonder what the asking price is for Coventry as it stands now. Surely it can't be so high that a promotion team would rather fight to get planning permission/build and start over?

Just think for a moment Grafter - how many houses could be ( will be ) built on the site of the current Coventry site and you will realise just how many millions it is actually worth to a developer.
About twenty years ago someone I used to work for sold a small piece of land to a developer to build a McDonalds unit on, he bought the land in the late sixtys for several hundred pounds and sold it for almost a quarter of a million, and that was almost twenty years ago.

In short What the site is worth makes it well worth the expense of selling and starting again, or better still - selling out and not bothering to re-start elsewhere.
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:54 am

How many houses could be built on the Queens back lawn? This is still designated as leisure land, I believe, and not industrial or residential........that would need to get past the planners under a change of use (that is not unknown and has been achieved by various means in the past). Locals in Binley woods are opposed to any residential/industrial expansion and the local planners have only identified a need of a futher 17 properties to accomodate the growth within the village. Remember this is the home of Hyacinth Bucket (of keeping up appearances) on Heather road for crying out loud and she never once complained of the stox/speedway  lol! 
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:58 pm

Well spannerman you have a final chance to visit the beach racing this coming weekend and its double points on offer (do all sports do this now?) for the last round of the season.
Anyway I've been bad......Very bad.........I went to the sp33dway ben fund race at Leicester last weekend  affraid a sort of day out come fact finding mission I suppose. A track I had not witnessed racing at/only 30 mins drive away and £16 to get in and the kids were free to go in. Well there was a healthy crowd on a sunny afternoon and good range of top riders with it being Team GB V the rest of the world. Well the racing was OK and we got to meet Tai "mi Kangaroo down" Woffinden but other than Craig Cook (Belle Vue captain) having a coming together on the last bend of the finale (with I think Nick Morris) which resulted in his bike being a right mess........the new stadium was rather sterile and lacking in atmosphere which sadly took something away from the event.
So in conclusion I would say that it does matter that a stadium needs to enclosed to keep in the atmosphere and help build it even more (and even better under lights).
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:57 am

I see the ex quarry idea has been done before and is now up for sale........in Ireland http://www.rbdaly.com/publish/listings/l0071.shtml . Just take a look at the description............do you know anyone who has been there?
It looks just about possible to fit a track the size of Skegness in there (with a unique steep banking of around 20+ degrees on turns 1 and 2 - home straight being the on/off road). Here's a rough plan http://tinyurl.com/Killineer-layout .
In terms of cost/time this is an example of a new autograss track planned for Mallow in Eire http://tinyurl.com/New-Mallow-track
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:26 pm

Here's a list of other racing venues (mainly grass track) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dirt_track_ovals_in_the_United_Kingdom
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:58 pm

Another quarry site has gone on the market but this is down in Wells (F2 territory) http://www.hansteen.uk.com/en/property.php?propID=157 . So it can only be a matter of time before the right one pops up......fingers crossed.
BTW its actually big enough to recreate the same size track as the old Baarlo long track http://binged.it/1djPHkw  affraid
Here's Baarlo for old times sake http://binged.it/1h3Tspy  Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:45 pm

Just found this on the net.. Doesn't bode well for the stockcars if this is what's happening to the two wheeled formula there! Sad


Sunday March 23, 2014COVENTRY promoter Mick Horton has issued the following statement following the postponement of the Elite Riders’ Championship on Sunday.“I have made the decision today that the teams representing Coventry Speedway will not be taking to the track at Brandon until such time as the stadium bring in the correct and proper track curator to prepare our track.“The track has been totally unacceptable. I am embarrassed and humiliated and I am not prepared to take all of the criticism because this is 100 per cent down to the stadium.“They got rid of our old track curator and brought in a new one and it simply hasn’t worked. I am totally humiliated and can only apologise.“I have told the stadium staff what the situation is – it’s destroying me. We said early this morning that the track should be bladed but they decided to let it dry and pack it, and it was still rubbish.“Television were here and I have taken a lot of criticism, and I know I’m going to get the flak. But I want to make it very clear that this was totally out of my control, this was 100 per cent down to the stadium.“They brought in the track staff and assured Coventry Speedway that this track curator and track staff team was the best that we could get. The rest is history – it has been a total shambles starting on Friday with the Storm match and now on Sunday for a major national event. “There is no way that I will allow a Coventry team on that track until it is correct, and until that time, until it is in a suitable condition to race on, we will decline any further shared events or TV meetings.“In all my years of speedway, this is my lowest moment. I feel absolutely humiliated by something that is totally out of my control.”View Full Site


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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:37 pm

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Just found this on the net.. Doesn't bode well for the stockcars if this is what's happening to the two wheeled formula there! Sad


Sunday March 23, 2014COVENTRY promoter Mick Horton has issued the following statement following the postponement of the Elite Riders’ Championship on Sunday.“I have made the decision today that the teams representing Coventry Speedway will not be taking to the track at Brandon until such time as the stadium bring in the correct and proper track curator to prepare our track.“The track has been totally unacceptable. I am embarrassed and humiliated and I am not prepared to take all of the criticism because this is 100 per cent down to the stadium.“They got rid of our old track curator and brought in a new one and it simply hasn’t worked. I am totally humiliated and can only apologise.“I have told the stadium staff what the situation is – it’s destroying me. We said early this morning that the track should be bladed but they decided to let it dry and pack it, and it was still rubbish.“Television were here and I have taken a lot of criticism, and I know I’m going to get the flak. But I want to make it very clear that this was totally out of my control, this was 100 per cent down to the stadium.“They brought in the track staff and assured Coventry Speedway that this track curator and track staff team was the best that we could get. The rest is history – it has been a total shambles starting on Friday with the Storm match and now on Sunday for a major national event. “There is no way that I will allow a Coventry team on that track until it is correct, and until that time, until it is in a suitable condition to race on, we will decline any further shared events or TV meetings.“In all my years of speedway, this is my lowest moment. I feel absolutely humiliated by something that is totally out of my control.”View Full Site



Not good but stox don't need a billiard flat surface like bikes do
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Mon Mar 24, 2014 5:56 am

Somebody needs to write Mick Horton's speeches for him. It's hilariously funny as a rant on its own! Smile 
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:17 am

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Another quarry site has gone on the market but this is down in Wells (F2 territory) http://www.hansteen.uk.com/en/property.php?propID=157 . So it can only be a matter of time before the right one pops up......fingers crossed.
BTW its actually big enough to recreate the same size track as the old Baarlo long track http://binged.it/1djPHkw  affraid
Here's Baarlo for old times sake http://binged.it/1h3Tspy  Sad

if you google earth this postcode you can see mendips raceway so this is a no go i would have thought, Mr Bunter would be eating his tash if you built a new track the other side of the cliff from his. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:20 pm

The Coventry Speedway promoter has released a new statement here

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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Thu Mar 27, 2014 1:46 pm

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Grafter wrote:
Another quarry site has gone on the market but this is down in Wells (F2 territory) http://www.hansteen.uk.com/en/property.php?propID=157 . So it can only be a matter of time before the right one pops up......fingers crossed.
BTW its actually big enough to recreate the same size track as the old Baarlo long track http://binged.it/1djPHkw  affraid
Here's Baarlo for old times sake http://binged.it/1h3Tspy  Sad

if you google earth this postcode you can see mendips raceway so this is a no go i would have thought, Mr Bunter would be eating his tash if you built a new track the other side of the cliff from his. Smile

Yes I knew it was close...........but you have to admit that if a track was built there then the setting would be dramatic/epic (grandstand facing the rock face and all that wonderful sound contained within......just like the old opera house of the North - the ORIGINAL Belle Vue  Very Happy  ).
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:24 pm

Your not wrong. natural amphitheater would be awesome. There was a old quarry in Eversley (Spedeworth area) which was ear marked for sports facility after the quarry was finished. But as always Football seems to have a monopoly on these things.

Are County Fair grounds an option ?
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Thu Mar 27, 2014 5:50 pm

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Your not wrong. natural amphitheater would be awesome. There was a old quarry in Eversley (Spedeworth area) which was ear marked for sports facility after the quarry was finished. But as always Football seems to have a monopoly on these things.

Are County Fair grounds an option ?

Well Norwich showground has/had plans to put a speedway track there, although it seems the backers dropped out.
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Sun Mar 30, 2014 9:14 pm

Big rumour at the minute is about bookings, Coventry has 48 cars booked in for this Saturdays meeting and that's all they're excepting! They want to run just two heats!  A few drivers have tried to book in this weekend and have been put on a reserve list!  

Hoping this is a mis-understanding and they revert back to excepting 60plus. ...

Anyone else heard about this?
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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:48 am

Another plot of land slap in the middle of Coventry/Leicester.......a little pricey maybe but great access http://commercialsearch.savills.co.uk/property-detail/3153 . Even one corner of the plot could easily fit a track the size of Coventry's (and still loads of room for fuel station/hotel ect.....)  http://tinyurl.com/A14-track  scratch


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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Wed Apr 23, 2014 2:17 am

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PostSubject: Re: Coventry doomed rumour   Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:10 pm

Grafter wrote:
Another plot of land slap in the middle of Coventry/Leicester.......a little pricey maybe but great access http://commercialsearch.savills.co.uk/property-detail/3153 . Even one corner of the plot could easily fit a track the size of Coventry's (and still loads of room for fuel station/hotel ect.....)  http://tinyurl.com/A14-track  scratch

mimimum £1.8 million !!!
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